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13 M1 MBP in store tomorrow?
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I’m hoping. But I want reviews first. I can’t decide between a relatively low spec Air and a more long term Pro. Sustained performance is the key and Apple doesn’t think we need to know. 
I'd imagine there will be some stock in some stores. How much and how that relates to how many people show up looking to buy remains to be seen.
good luck to you!I’m hoping. But I want reviews first. I can’t decide between a relatively low spec Air and a more long term Pro. Sustained performance is the key and Apple doesn’t think we need to know.
-My fingers are crossed that some reviewer on youtube will get them delivered a day early (today) and have a review up before days end..... not likely but we can hope!
my 2015 15 inch goes crazy even just opening emails these days its time for an upgrade but I cannot fully decide if I want to go 16 inches....
I’m planning on trading in my 2018 13” Pro. The 16GB is the same and I’ve never used many TB ports so those limits are fine. I just don’t want to replace my Pro with the Air if it throttles heavily.
It makes me angry that Apple doesn’t provide any information about relative performance. What is the point of such secrecy since the first reviews will reveal everything anyway.
It makes me angry that Apple doesn’t provide any information about relative performance. What is the point of such secrecy since the first reviews will reveal everything anyway.
makes sense. What I'm watching for is the way they compete directly with the 16inch. If there is a close comparison ill go 13 if the 16 can still blow it away ill go 16. (I know there is a lot of question there however if it can compete ill do the 13)
The 16” should be pretty close in performance overall. It should beat the M1 in GPU. The single core performance goes with the M1 though.
What is Apple not telling you that you shouldn't already know? If you want sustained performance fanless is not the way to go. The MacBook Air has never been about sustained performance and it's not going to be with M1. That's why they sell the base model MacBook Pro with two ports (The one Apple just switched to M1).I’m hoping. But I want reviews first. I can’t decide between a relatively low spec Air and a more long term Pro. Sustained performance is the key and Apple doesn’t think we need to know.
Ok, if you think Apple has told us, how long do I get the full unthrottled maximum performance from a M1 MacBook Air? Does it throttle after 5 seconds, 10 seconds, 30 seconds or more? The answer is we don’t know because no one has tested it yet and Apple didn’t tell us. All it would take is a simple graph. For me, I need sustained performance for usually around 30-60 seconds at a time. If it can do that, then I’m good to go. But does it? We don’t know despite your claim to the contrary.
The Best Buy app claims you can pre order today and pick up tomorrow. Obviously we won't know for sure until tomorrow.
I am planning to trade in my current 2015 MBP, but I am in no hurry.
I am planning to trade in my current 2015 MBP, but I am in no hurry.
It can sustain performance until heat builds up. And we can see how heat buildup happens in a similar chassis by looking at the 12" MacBook:
Let's check throttling of 2017 MacBook 12"
I noticed a lot of people want to know if there are any throttling issues with the 2017 12inch MacBooks. Shall examine this ourselves by performing the same "22 runs of the Cinebench Multi R15 test" done by Notebookcheck.net last year. That test famously (or erroneously?) put m5 above m7...
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The 12" MacBook has a 7W CPU, by the way.
So I don't think it works like how you're thinking it will work. It won't be "fast for 30 seconds then slower" and then "fast again for 30 seconds then slower". It'll be a gradual decline in performance as you keep using the computer. Something like... "fast for the first 15 minutes then slower progressively as it heats up and as you continue to use the computer".
Also, that means higher ambient temp may also cause the computer to slow down.
In contrast, the 13" Pro with a fan will probably be "fast at any point in time regardless", and ambient temp will only make the fan go louder.
What are you talking about? When has Apple released how long do you get the full unthrottled maximum performance from any Mac? If they have I haven't seen this specification on their website. This is what reviewers do.
All I said was the Air has never been about sustained performance. You can find hundreds of posts here complaining about it. The new one doesn't even have a fan so I'm fairly certain to the point of betting my paycheck that someone will make a post complaining about it throttling down. If sustained performace is something you need I would consider the MacBook Pro. Of course wait for the reviews
Has that been common in the past? I thought they largely just stocked the base configs?
I can speak for the few times I went to the Apple Store in Austin that they only had the base configurations of Macs. Like they would have different 13" MacBook Pros but just the base selections. This was last year though and maybe some Apple Stores have more.
I don't know about recently, but I know it was common procedure years ago for Apple Stores to keep some stock of the 'Ultimate Configs.' I don't know if they still do that or not, though. I would imagine not too many people are buying the 2TB version, but they may be stocking the 16GB / 1TB models.
Clearly this is different since these SoCs have never been tested by anyone. If I buy a MacBook Air with a 10 W Intel Core i5, I can make a pretty good guess that it is going to throttle pretty quickly in a MacBook Air chassis. I can use previous generations and years of reviews to make good guesses. None of that is possible with the M1. We can see in the early Geekbench results that the CPUs are the same across all three products. The Air doesn’t throttle during the Geekbench tests. That’s it. We have no other information to make an informed buying decision. I think that sucks and is completely unnecessary.What are you talking about? When has Apple released how long do you get the full unthrottled maximum performance from any Mac? If they have I haven't seen this specification on their website. This is what reviewers do.
All I said was the Air has never been about sustained performance. You can find hundreds of posts here complaining about it. The new one doesn't even have a fan so I'm fairly certain to the point of betting my paycheck that someone will make a post complaining about it throttling down. If sustained performace is something you need I would consider the MacBook Pro. Of course wait for the reviews
Specifically I’m talking about writing software and compiling it. So between builds, there is plenty of time for the CPU to cool off. I don’t like waiting for a compile and want really quick turn around. But I love the MacBook Air form factor and I’ve used one for years until around 2018 when I settled for a MacBook Pro.It can sustain performance until heat builds up. And we can see how heat buildup happens in a similar chassis by looking at the 12" MacBook:
Let's check throttling of 2017 MacBook 12"
I noticed a lot of people want to know if there are any throttling issues with the 2017 12inch MacBooks. Shall examine this ourselves by performing the same "22 runs of the Cinebench Multi R15 test" done by Notebookcheck.net last year. That test famously (or erroneously?) put m5 above m7...
The 12" MacBook has a 7W CPU, by the way.
So I don't think it works like how you're thinking it will work. It won't be "fast for 30 seconds then slower" and then "fast again for 30 seconds then slower". It'll be a gradual decline in performance as you keep using the computer. Something like... "fast for the first 15 minutes then slower progressively as it heats up and as you continue to use the computer".
Also, that means higher ambient temp may also cause the computer to slow down.
In contrast, the 13" Pro with a fan will probably be "fast at any point in time regardless", and ambient temp will only make the fan go louder.
We can already see that the M1 isn’t throttling in the various Geekbench results so that gives me hope that this will work out for my purposes.
Yes, my experience has been the Apple Store definitely stocks the base configs, but I've been in there shopping when the employees have told me they had other models.
I remember years ago I was buying a 11" MBA (gosh that laptop was fun) and they had the base model, but when I said that I wanted more RAM, the employee said 'we got a souped-up version." They had a model in stock with everything maxed out: RAM, processor, and storage. So I walked out of the store with that. That was fun, too!
Anyway, I now think of other configurations as possibilities--even though it may just be a specious belief--and wondered if anybody else thought so....
What you need to do is go to the Apple website and build and config and as you’re doing it watch the availably sometimes it’ll say available near you. Most stores carry higher end models (I got my 2015 maxed 15 just by asking in store though)
Not always. New Apple products usually come as a drop shipment direct from Apple to the local BBY stores, so not even the store can say for sure that they will be arriving. The website stating "pick up tomorrow" might mean that the store in question already has some on hand, but it may also be assuming that they will arrive either today or tomorrow. Their inventory system will often show 0 items in transit, then UPS pulls up and drops off 20 machines.
To answer the OP's main question, yes, some stores will have the MBP in stock today (Tuesday). Some Melbourne stores have the base configurations in stock to pick up, although bumping the RAM up makes it become unavailable...