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I’d like to extend the life of my late-09 iMac a bit, so planning on booting to external ssd. I’d like to utilize the FireWire 800 port, but not sure if I can use a usb-3/c drive with a FireWire adapter.

If this isn’t possible, would using usb-2 even be fast enough for a bootable ssd? Would it be faster than the stock internal spinner?
 
An external firewire drive isn't going to help that much.
A little perhaps. Just don't get your expectations too high.

It's really time to start looking for a replacement.
If not an iMac, perhaps a Mini...?
 
FireWire 800 is a bit faster than USB 2.0, but it's not even close to USB 3.0. I wouldn't invest in it anymore, it's old technology. My advices: sell your 2009 iMac and get (at least) a 2012 iMac, that's the oldest with USB 3.0 and also the oldest to run Catalina. Won't cost you much and you'll get a much better experience. You can then buy a USB 3.0 external SSD and you should be fine.
 
An external firewire drive isn't going to help that much.
A little perhaps. Just don't get your expectations too high.

It's really time to start looking for a replacement.
If not an iMac, perhaps a Mini...?
My plan was to wait until a new iMac model comes out before purchasing a new one.

Are you saying that booting to an external ssd via usb or FireWire is not much faster than the internal spinner?
 
Some old topics about this: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/using-external-ssd-drive-with-usb-2-0.1177328/ and https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ssd-firewire-800-as-a-bootdrive.1170801/.

Opening your iMac and putting in an SSD would make it a lot faster, but that might bee too much trouble. USB 2.0 is too slow, FireWire 800 is somewhat better but I wouldn't invest in it because it's obsolete technology.

I wouldn't buy an SSD just for this, but if you already have one you can always try of course.

I would simply wait for the new model then. Wait until WWDC, if there is no new model by then just get the 2019 model. Either will be a huge improvement over a 2009 iMac.
 
Again... it's not really worth trying to upgrade a 2011 iMac any more.
Either get a 2019 (very nice, but get an SSD inside), or "wait".
There might be a new iMac this year, but they seem to get released in "2-year cycles":
2015... 2017... 2019... 2021 for the next one?

Do you want to wait that long?
 
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Firewire (800Mbps) is at best about 1.5 times the speed of USB2 (480Mbps).
Current cheap sata SSD's have transfer rates of round about 400 MBps (notice the big B, so bytes instead of bits).

With one byte being 8 bits, it means to max out the speed of a regular cheap SSD you'd need a communication speed of approximately 3200 Mbps, actually due to overhead in the Firewire communication protocoll (error checking etc) it would even need to be higher.

You clearly can see the Firewire 800 is going to be a severe limitation to the speed of your SSD.
Actual speed of data transfer will be hardly faster then your internal spinning drive (if at all), it will feel a bit snappier (just a little), the reason being there are no search time lags on an SSD, because there is no magnetical reading head which needs to physically move around to go and fetch data spread all over the magnetical disks.

Even if you build the SSD into your iMac, it will still be limited as the interface available is only SATA 2 which allows a real life speed of round about 300 MBps, still not the full speed a cheap SSD is capable of, but at least a BIG improvement over a spinning drive. I get on a cheap crucial MX500 writes of around 250 MBps and reads of 270 MBps.

Those iMacs are actually relatively easy to work on (magnetic glass plate), I'd really try to clone the drive to an SSD, open the machine up and swap out the old drive. Really not that hard to do if you carefully follow the many available (video) tutorials on the web.

There is only one step where you have to carefull, and that is when all the screws of your display are out, to very carefully flip it forward so you won't pull on the connecting cables befor you disconnect them (wrecked the connector on a back-light power module myself that way, 60 US$ replacement...). I turn the machine around and stand behind it when doing that, quite easy that way.

As well you'll need the Macs Fan Control application afterwards or you'll have a huge turbine sitting on your desk afterwards (due to the missing special Apple hard drive with built in temperature sensor)!

I actally use that piece of software anyway, I find the regular fan speed controllers let the temperatures go up too high in the iMacs...

They say these machines are too old, but with an internal SSD they still have some decent useability left.
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Again... it's not really worth trying to upgrade a 2011 iMac any more.
Either get a 2019 (very nice, but get an SSD inside), or "wait".
There might be a new iMac this year, but they seem to get released in "2-year cycles":
2015... 2017... 2019... 2021 for the next one?

Do you want to wait that long?
Kind of disagree.
An SSD upgrade is very cheap, not too hard to do, and the ssd is always re-usable after you finally dump the machine (or when the graphics card dies) , and does make an older iMac (especially the 2011 i5 or i7 ones) pretty darn useable.
 
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My 2009 iMac with Firewire 800 SSD was much faster than with internal HDD and provides a much better experience. It is the best way to extend the life of your iMac. I would buy something like this https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/on-the-go

Large file transfers will actually still be slower then an internal 7200rpm spinning drive, they usually reach between 100 and 150 MBps when internally on sata, whereas your firewire will only allow around 90 MBps best case.

The better "snappier" results lare when you are transferring lots of small files, like when booting or transferring a massive amount of small files (a huge photo library or music/mp3 library).
4K random speeds on a spinning hard drive can come crashing down to under 10MBps, much lower then what a SSD connected through firewire can achieve...
 
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