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carabell2000

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It's time to upgrade my 2014 iMac. I'm not sure what the benefits are for the iCore i5 vs i9 or a fusion vs SSD drive. I do have an SSD drive on my MacBook Pro but the limited space gets frustrating (256). My current iMac is a 3T Fusion and I also use 2 EHD as backup (one work, one personal) so I do like lots of storage.

I'd like to know if I "need" the core i9 or if it's overkill and is the SSD drive that much faster for this iMac?

If I went with the SSD drive, what SSD EHD are good and dependable? I've read this one is good but only 1T: SanDisk 1TB Extreme PRO Portable External SSD.

I use Photoshop and shoot professionally so performance and speed are beneficial.

Current iMac:
iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, Late 2014)
3.5 GHz Intel Core i5
32 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
MD Radeon R9 M295X 4096 MB
 
I'd say do not consider anything other than the SSDs. Yes, they are more than "that much" faster and you will never want to go back for day to day usage. Everything, including moving between pictures in Lightroom is faster.

I even have USB-C NVMe 1 TB drives that score around 1 GB/s read and write (and that's externally). Get at least a 512 GB, but 1 TB will feel reasonably comfortable. You can't really upgrade these yourself. You can connect an external drive, but you'll have speeds of 1 GB/s rather than 2.5+ GB/s.

The 6-core CPUs will work fine for you, but if you plan on keeping it 5 years like your last one, what's a few hundred bucks to make those last 2 years better? The 8-core will give you room to grow, so I'd recommend getting it if you can spare the $$$. RAM you can add yourself.
 
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Go for i9. At least you will future proof yourself if Adobe will come up with 8C/16T support for Lr and Ps. For drive I would personally choose 1 TB SSD for fast scratch disk and fast access to current working projects. You can use some fast external HDD as second volume for storing and another one for backup. At least that is what I plan to do.
 
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I'd say do not consider anything other than the SSDs. Yes, they are more than "that much" faster and you will never want to go back for day to day usage. Everything, including moving between pictures in Lightroom is faster.

I even have USB-C NVMe 1 TB drives that score around 1 GB/s read and write (and that's externally). Get at least a 512 GB, but 1 TB will feel reasonably comfortable. You can't really upgrade these yourself. You can connect an external drive, but you'll have speeds of 1 GB/s rather than 2.5+ GB/s.

The 6-core CPUs will work fine for you, but if you plan on keeping it 5 years like your last one, what's a few hundred bucks to make those last 2 years better? The 8-core will give you room to grow, so I'd recommend getting it if you can spare the $$$. RAM you can add yourself.

I typically upgrade after 5 years. I've owned Apple Computers since the early 1990's, upgrading every 4-5 years. I don't do gaming or video, although a little personal video but nothing crazy. Thank you for your feedback!
 
It's time to upgrade my 2014 iMac. I'm not sure what the benefits are for the iCore i5 vs i9 or a fusion vs SSD drive. I do have an SSD drive on my MacBook Pro but the limited space gets frustrating (256). My current iMac is a 3T Fusion and I also use 2 EHD as backup (one work, one personal) so I do like lots of storage.

I'd like to know if I "need" the core i9 or if it's overkill and is the SSD drive that much faster for this iMac?

It is slightly more complicated than that.


There is a notion in some of the responses above that Adobe is going to add more 8 core support so going i9 will help "future proof". Well they are also highly likely going to be adding more GPU support in the future also. The tool-mix that you mainly use are cemented into the x86 core compute only era then i9 might dominate. But for tools that do tap the GPU the gap is bigger if "trade up" on GPU. And Adobe is generally "late to the game" among other photography tools in leveraging GPUs. However, some folks have a stock of "favorite" filter/tools/plug-in that aren't going to change and will remain CPU bound. So there is a bit of it depends upon what you plan to use in the future factor there.

Apple has three iMac 27" base configurations on the store page. I think the middle one presents somewhat of false dichotomy in its build to order (BTO) page because there is zero choice of GPU as though it doesn't matter. It also puts a larger gap between 3.1 i5 and 3.6 i9 . The top base config has a 3.7 i5 versus a 3.6 i9 ( the i9 has a bigger core count gap than a clock speed one. ). On the top on you can get to a Vega 48 for about the same amount of moving from i5 -> i9 . the 3.7 i5 is just plain substantively faster than what you have now. If locked into older plug-ins that can't go multicore much then just as fast as the i9.


As for the current SSD's, they just smoke your 3TB Fusion drive. ( and the current Fusion drive options). The 512GB one is probably incrementally slower than the 1TB version. The problem is Apple's $/GB pricing is a pain. I wouldn't pay lots extra for TB's of Apple SSD capcacity over a better CPU or GPU. [ And the RAM is basically a non starter too. ]

So basic priority order > 1. at least minimal SSD internal , 2 better GPU options and then if budget still left i9.


If I went with the SSD drive, what SSD EHD are good and dependable? I've read this one is good but only 1T: SanDisk 1TB Extreme PRO Portable External SSD.

If have a limited budget, I would look for a solid enclosure that you can put a 2.5" SSD into that's USB 3.1 gen2 (or possible Thunderbolt v3 and M.2 form factor ) . The $/GB you pay for those these days is way better than what Apple is selling and are more suitable for a large photography media library/database.

If your capacity needs are constantly growing then get an enclosure and moving to bigger drives 2-4 years down the road when you need to is probably would the additional initial outlay. Bigger SSDs will be less expensive in the the future. So buy bigger closer to when needs are bigger.

Something like this could consolidate your default external drive context.

4 bay enclosure.
https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/MEQCTJBT00/

Just run it JBOD ( as independent disks). You could have two backup target drives , one 2.5" SSD older stuff photography library , one 2.5" SSD newer stuff photography library. ( or just start off with just 3 or 2 and move to more over time. ). That would be faster than what you have now. ( Thunderbolt M.2 drives would fastest but also substantively more money. )


I use Photoshop and shoot professionally so performance and speed are beneficial.

That Sandisk drive would be handy as a "on the go" drive in the field with laptop/iPad Pro. Its portable features are good. However, as a constantly hooked to a single, static desktop system's drive, there are probably better options.
 
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It is slightly more complicated than that.


There is a notion in some of the responses above that Adobe is going to add more 8 core support so going i9 will help "future proof". Well they are also highly likely going to be adding more GPU support in the future also. The tool-mix that you mainly use are cemented into the x86 core compute only era then i9 might dominate. But for tools that do tap the GPU the gap is bigger if "trade up" on GPU. And Adobe is generally "late to the game" among other photography tools in leveraging GPUs. However, some folks have a stock of "favorite" filter/tools/plug-in that aren't going to change and will remain CPU bound. So there is a bit of it depends upon what you plan to use in the future factor there.

Apple has three iMac 27" base configurations on the store page. I think the middle one presents somewhat of false dichotomy in its build to order (BTO) page because there is zero choice of GPU as though it doesn't matter. It also puts a larger gap between 3.1 i5 and 3.6 i9 . The top base config has a 3.7 i5 versus a 3.6 i9 ( the i9 has a bigger core count gap than a clock speed one. ). On the top on you can get to a Vega 48 for about the same amount of moving from i5 -> i9 . the 3.7 i5 is just plain substantively faster than what you have now. If locked into older plug-ins that can't go multicore much then just as fast as the i9.


As for the current SSD's, they just smoke your 3TB Fusion drive. ( and the current Fusion drive options). The 512GB one is probably incrementally slower than the 1TB version. The problem is Apple's $/GB pricing is a pain. I wouldn't pay lots extra for TB's of Apple SSD capcacity over a better CPU or GPU. [ And the RAM is basically a non starter too. ]

So basic priority order > 1. at least minimal SSD internal , 2 better GPU options and then if budget still left i9.




If have a limited budget, I would look for a solid enclosure that you can put a 2.5" SSD into that's USB 3.1 gen2 (or possible Thunderbolt v3 and M.2 form factor ) . The $/GB you pay for those these days is way better than what Apple is selling and are more suitable for a large photography media library/database.

If your capacity needs are constantly growing then get an enclosure and moving to bigger drives 2-4 years down the road when you need to is probably would the additional initial outlay. Bigger SSDs will be less expensive in the the future. So buy bigger closer to when needs are bigger.

Something like this could consolidate your default external drive context.

4 bay enclosure.
https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/MEQCTJBT00/

Just run it JBOD ( as independent disks). You could have two backup target drives , one 2.5" SSD older stuff photography library , one 2.5" SSD newer stuff photography library. ( or just start off with just 3 or 2 and move to more over time. ). That would be faster than what you have now. ( Thunderbolt M.2 drives would fastest but also substantively more money. )




That Sandisk drive would be handy as a "on the go" drive in the field with laptop/iPad Pro. Its portable features are good. However, as a constantly hooked to a single, static desktop system's drive, there are probably better options.

Thank you. A lot of that is over my head but I did get the gist of it. So an SSD drive it is, 1T. Sounds like the 3.7GHz 6-core 9th-generation Intel Core i5 might be fine then - faster than what I have also the SSD drive. I'm not sure about the higher end graphics card, I've read that is good for gaming/video which is not what I do. Would the one that comes standard be sufficient?
  • Radeon Pro 580X with 8GB of GDDR5 memory

I have oodles of files that I keep forever because I do. I have 2 4G drives (one for back up of the other) for personal and 2 8G drives (also one for backup) for work. There's a program called SuperDuper that backs them up when plugged in so it's very simple. I also use TimeMachine on my Mac as well as Backblaze for everything. I'm a bit OCD about it all but having lost a HD, one of my first laptops in the mid 1990's, and an external HD a handful of years ago, I'd rather be safe than sorry.

What I will need is a EHD I can work off of that is similar to what the new computer will do, if that's a possibility.
 
For still photography, even a base model iMac will do well enough.
i5 will do just fine.

BUT...
I'd recommend an SSD (instead of fusion drive).
The 512gb SSD represents the best value.
If you need "more space" for your photo libraries, use an EXTERNAL USB3 drive, SSD or HDD.
 
... I'm not sure about the higher end graphics card, I've read that is good for gaming/video which is not what I do. Would the one that comes standard be sufficient?
  • Radeon Pro 580X with 8GB of GDDR5 memory

It would be sufficient. The higher end GPU is also computationally better ( not just limited to gaming/video). Depending if Adobe moves some of the cloud host Sensei "smart" filters down to local systems and the filters get "smarter" ( more AI and Machine Learning ) then can put that computational horsepower to work even on still images. [ For those planning to skip the smarter tools in the future, the GPU will continue to have a limited contributing effect with small incremental improvement of current tools ] However, if the 580X got highly pressed in the second half of the system's lifecycle you could possibly supplement with an external GPU (that was in many cases even better than the Vega 48 available now. ). The current AI/ML 'smart" tools from most vendors can well leverage the 580X with 8GB. (more than 4GB is better along with the increment of computations 'horsepower' versus the lower iMac GPU options. e.g. Luminar recommended 4GB+ specs https://skylum.com/luminar/user-guides/chapter-5-tech-requirements VRAM footprints demands probably aren't going to get smaller over the next 5 years. )

It sounds like you'll have more pressing storage needs over the intermediate term for your budget. So that is probably better spent on some newer, speedy external subsystem. ( $300-400 into that would be the bigger bang for the buck for now. ).
 
I'm a hobby photographer, use LR classic, my original live on an external 1TB SSD (USB-C, not TB3) and the LR index on my internal 1 TB SSD, works fine for my needs
 
I am also a commercial photographer looking to upgrade my maxed out Late 2014 iMac. I always go top of the line and try and milk 5-6 years out of a machine. Ram and SSD are the biggest ways to improve speed and easiest things to upgrade for my workflow. moving files, saving, compressing etc take up the most time. tbh can't remember a photoshop action or filter that took more than a second or two compared to the time saving or moving a hundred 1gb psd files.

i currently have a 512gb internal SSD which I find too small to really load up work files, next one will be 1tb SSD for sure. I have 4 1tb samsung EVO ssd external drives and are pretty dang fast but would like to move my workflow to the internal and just use those for mid life storage. usually keep project files for 2-3 years before archiving.

Make sure you max out your ram, (I always use macsales) as I constantly use up all free ram and start using swap files which is super slow. Photoshop has 20gb of dedicated ram and the rest is for other apps but on new machine would like to allocate way more to photoshop and of course will have loads for other apps.

As far as the rest of the machine, max it out. this is your job, your work tool, $850 over 5 years should be justifiable, you might even get an extra year out of it if not more.
 
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Make sure you max out your ram, (I always use macsales) as I constantly use up all free ram and start using swap files which is super slow. ...

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If max out the RAM not really totally avoiding disk usage. When the Mac goes to sleep/hibernation then the memory will be paged out to disk. So 64GB of RAM goes to being 64GB of SSD space. Need to size the drives so have a good amount of free space left ( ~15+ % ).

Tools like Activity Monitor can highlight how much RAM a user is actually using on common workloads. It depends upon the app mix and workload.
 
So if I were to buy with only 8G of RAW, I could buy 64G from macsales for $350 and save $650? That seems like the way to go. They I would use the extra to get a bigger SSD drive size.
https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/2666DDR4S64S/

Would it matter if I bought 2 32G and left the original 2 4G or would it better to just buy 4 16G?
I would do 2x32. if you ever wanted to put more RAM in, you are only "wasting" the 2x4 sticks ...
 
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I would do 2x32. if you ever wanted to put more RAM in, you are only "wasting" the 2x4 sticks ...
Thank you.

I was able to get a 2019 refurbished for a really good price. I usually buy refurbished when I can. It comes with the 3.7GHz 6-core 9th-generation Intel Core i5 processor, 2T SSD drive, 8G RAM and Radeon Pro 580X for $2549. New would have been $2999 - with 64G would have been $3999. I'm paying the $2549 plus $373 so under $3K for the same thing. My current iMac is refurbished and is my MacBookPro, all our iPads (we have a few in my house) are refurbished. They are such a good deal compared to new if you can find what you want.
 
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