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AltecX

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So you know that little part of the power brick that plugs into the wall and is removable? Does anyone have one that comes off the side instead of straight out? For my desk it would fit better to have the brick against the wall to take up less space than sticking out from it. In my head this would be an easy thing and I'm kind of surprised I've not found one.
 

Fishrrman

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You might look for one of the following:
- an extension cord with an L-shaped plug on the end
- a power strip or surge suppressor with an L-shaped plug.
 
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AltecX

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You should be using a surge protector to begin with.

Irrelevant to my question or needs. Have you also ever looked at how little surge protectors help? Any decent surge goes right though them, and are more powerful than their "warranties" cover. They are really only useful in homes with either VERY poor/old wiring or areas that don't have very stable power. If your house is wired right the breaker should trip before the surge is ever tripped. You're more likely to have hardware fail from unstable/fluxuating power than a surge.

30 years of IT I've almost never seen a protector trip, and when they do I've never seen a non-industrial/professional surge protector that actually protected the items connected. I've replaced more due to recalls for being faulty or just random failure than I have for them actually doing their job.
 

JPack

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That totally depends where you live. In most western European countries this is pretty much redundant as the power grids are a lot better there. I do not know of anyone using a surge protector on this side of the globe.

Regardless of the power grid, lightning strikes can happen in nearly any part of the world. Whether you look at Amazon.uk or Amazon.de, they are best selling products with thousands of reviews.
 

AltecX

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Regardless of the power grid, lightning strikes can happen in nearly any part of the world. Whether you look at Amazon.uk or Amazon.de, they are best selling products with thousands of reviews.
Neither of that means they were needed, useful or anything else. If lightning isn't tripping your electric pole or house breakers your area isnt up to code. Also, if my house is being hit with lightning the last thing I'm going to care about is if my PC is okay as my house and belongings are possibly on fire an just exploded.

No one really buys them for protection, they buy them to add more outlets.
 
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Irrelevant to my question or needs. Have you also ever looked at how little surge protectors help? Any decent surge goes right though them, and are more powerful than their "warranties" cover. They are really only useful in homes with either VERY poor/old wiring or areas that don't have very stable power. If your house is wired right the breaker should trip before the surge is ever tripped. You're more likely to have hardware fail from unstable/fluxuating power than a surge.

30 years of IT I've almost never seen a protector trip, and when they do I've never seen a non-industrial/professional surge protector that actually protected the items connected. I've replaced more due to recalls for being faulty or just random failure than I have for them actually doing their job.
This doesn’t apply to your MacBook, but with my desktop computers, I use an (APC) UPS due to power fluctuations. Once in a while I hear it kick in for a second or two, not often but enough….

It’s nice to be able to do a controlled shutdown during a power outage, but that is much less common than power fluctuations.
 

JPack

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Irrelevant to my question or needs. Have you also ever looked at how little surge protectors help? Any decent surge goes right though them, and are more powerful than their "warranties" cover. They are really only useful in homes with either VERY poor/old wiring or areas that don't have very stable power. If your house is wired right the breaker should trip before the surge is ever tripped. You're more likely to have hardware fail from unstable/fluxuating power than a surge.

30 years of IT I've almost never seen a protector trip, and when they do I've never seen a non-industrial/professional surge protector that actually protected the items connected. I've replaced more due to recalls for being faulty or just random failure than I have for them actually doing their job.

Take it easy, just my suggestion that with a $13 power bar, you can solve your problem and get additional protection. That makes more sense to me than buying a $25 duckhead replacement.
 

AltecX

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This doesn’t apply to your MacBook, but with my desktop computers, I use an (APC) UPS due to power fluctuations. Once in a while I hear it kick in for a second or two, not often but enough….

It’s nice to be able to do a controlled shutdown during a power outage, but that is much less common than power fluctuations.
A UPS is very different from a Surge protector.
 

AltecX

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Take it easy, just my suggestion that with a $13 power bar, you can solve your problem and get additional protection. That makes more sense to me than buying a $25 duckhead replacement.
Im not going to carry a powerstrip around with me when I move from my desk.
 

westom

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This doesn’t apply to your MacBook, but with my desktop computers, I use an (APC) UPS due to power fluctuations. Once in a while I hear it kick in for a second or two, not often but enough….
A UPS is made as cheaply as possible. Even noise can cause it to click to battery. If it was clicking due to unstable power, then incandescent bulbs were also reporting unstable power.

For example, voltage can vary so much that an incandescent light bulb dims to 50% intensity or doubles intensity. Even voltage variations that large are ideal for all electronics. Internal DC voltages do not vary even 0.2 volts. Why would anyone need a magic box to address voltage variations that are already made irrelevant by what is inside all electronics?

If voltages are varying that much, then a UPS is needed on less robust appliances: furnace, dishwasher, washing machine, and central air.

Easy is to manipulate naive consumers ... who do not always demand relevant numbers with every recommendation. That promotes sales of magic boxes (UPS or plug-in protectors) that do nothing useful.

And yes, that surge protector recommendation is just as bogus once numbers are included in the recommendation. It also was recommended subjectively. First indication of disinformation - a subjective recommendation.

UPS is temporary and 'dirty' power so that unsaved data can be saved. So 'dirty' that they quietly recommend not powering strip protectors or motorized appliances from a UPS. Electronics are so more robust. So 'dirty' UPS power is perfectly good. But only to protect unsaved data. UPS does nothing to protect saved data or hardware. Superior protection inside more robust electronics also makes 'dirty' UPS power irrelevant.

Surge protector has a let-through voltage numbers: typically 330 volts. That means it does absolutely nothing until 120 volts is well above 330 volts. If a surge protector is needed on any one appliance, is it required for ALL appliances.

A UPS is for voltages falling to zero. How is a voltage approaching or exceeding 1000 volts also a voltage failing to zero. Two completely different and unrelated anomalies addressed by two completely different and unrelated solutions.

Power in Europe is equally unstable (or stable) as that in North America. But then someone recommended a Belkin. Learn what others learned the hard way. Including Sarah Q, Average Joe, and sandra r.

It caught on fire and burned my carpet, but it didn't burn the whole house down since I was sitting right next to it.

All plug-in protectors are that 'near zero' protection. Anyone can learn reality by simply demanding numbers. How does its puny thousand joules 'block' or 'absorb' a surge that can be hundreds of thousands of joules?

Every honest recommend also includes numbers such as these. Subjective is a first indication that one is lying or is easily deceived.

Other solutions can solve these threats. Solutions that come from other companies known for integrity. But the OP was not asking for that. Exposed is disinformation behind recommendations that are irrelevant to the OP.
 

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Yes, the lights dim when the UPS kicks in. No I don‘t care if a $500 dishwasher breaks as I don’t make a living washing dishes.

Nothing else you wrote merits a response.
 

westom

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How much do lights dim? If dimming 10%, then workmanship problems probably exist in household wiring. A problem that should be corrected at convenience. If dimming to 50%, then a major human safety issue may exist that required attention yesterday. It is that serious.

Dimming more than 10% is also problematic for all motorized appliances. Since those are less robust.

If power fluctuations are not resulting in a major 50% intensity change, then that UPS is only doing something that is already done by and inside all electronics. Solving a problem that needs no solution.

UPS has one purpose. Temporary and 'dirty' power so that unsaved data can be saved. It does something useful when lights dim more than 50% - ie an outage.

Power fluctuations are already made irrelevant by a Mac. UPS does nothing useful for the OP's concerns.
 
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