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Looking for advice. I am the original owner of a mid-2010 15" i7 2.66GHz MBP (hi-res anti-glare). I used it for 11 years w/o fail until crash problems started in 2021 (possibly due to issues with OS upgrades ??). I managed to keep it going until I bought a new 16" MBP M1Pro (11/2021), but would like to continue using the mid-2010 for other "light duty" tasks, since it seems to work fine after an Erase and fresh install of OS10.13. I purchased a new OWC battery and Crucial MX500 1TB SSD (+SATA cable) for it. Sadly, my unibody case has some pretty bad damage near the magsafe/ethernet ports, so I bought a used "mint" condition ("never used") mid-2010 15" i5 2.53GHz (hi-res anti-glare) as donor for the parts swap. I was planning to swap my i7 logic board, and install the new SSD + battery into the "donor" MBP, but now I'm wondering if maybe using the i5 2.53GHz logic board is a better option (since it's virtually never been used) instead of swapping my i7 2.66GHz logic board. I've looked at performance comparisons between the two MBPs (with equal RAM and HDDs), and the major downside with the i5 is it's ability to "hold up" when it comes to 3D accelerated games, and unless I'm connecting the MacBook Pro to an external 30" Cinema display running at 2560x1600, the i5 2.53GHz with 256MB of video memory will run GPU intensives apps nearly as fast as my i7 2.66GHz with 512MB of video memory. It'd be a heck of a lot less work to just install the new SDD and battery in the "unused" i5 donor, but the "used" i7 has better performance.
 
I'm wondering if maybe using the i5 2.53GHz logic board is a better option (since it's virtually never been used) instead of swapping my i7 2.66GHz logic board

If actual ports (like the ethernet port) still work on the i7, you can transplant that i7 board into the i5 case and the system should work fine. When making that move, it would be a good time to clean old thermal paste underneath the heatsinks on the i7 and apply fresh thermal paste. Your i7 CPU, GPU, and controller chips will thank you for it.

You will also probably want to leave the i7’s original DC-in/magsafe with the i7 case if you’re unsure whether the old i7 DC-in/magsafe was having trouble due to the case damage you mentioned. The DC-in/magsafe board connects to the logic board, and it is detachable. Otherwise, your i7’s board in the i5’s case/body will take on the Ethernet/AirPort MAC addresses of the i5, and the serial number printed on the bottom case for the i5 will not match the i7’s info — which is fine, since you’ll be continuing to use it for yourself anyway.

Hope this helps clears up some of your questions!
 
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If actual ports (like the ethernet port) still work on the i7, you can transplant that i7 board into the i5 case and the system should work fine. When making that move, it would be a good time to clean old thermal paste underneath the heatsinks on the i7 and apply fresh thermal paste. Your i7 CPU, GPU, and controller chips will thank you for it.

You will also probably want to leave the i7’s original DC-in/magsafe with the i7 case if you’re unsure whether the old i7 DC-in/magsafe was having trouble due to the case damage you mentioned. The DC-in/magsafe board connects to the logic board, and it is detachable. Otherwise, your i7’s board in the i5’s case/body will take on the Ethernet/AirPort MAC addresses of the i5, and the serial number printed on the bottom case for the i5 will not match the i7’s info — which is fine, since you’ll be continuing to use it for yourself anyway.

Hope this helps clears up some of your questions!
Thanks for your advice. I know I can move my original i7 board into my "donor" i5 MBP. I know that both the magsafe and ethernet ports are good on the i7 board; only the case is damaged in that area. My question is more about "is it worth the effort" to remove both boards, and install my "used" i7 board into the donor MBP, OR just keep the "never used" i5 board in its pristine case and live with the "negligible" performance drop. I won't be doing any 3D gaming on an external monitor at 2560x1600 with it.
 
Thanks for your advice. I know I can move my original i7 board into my "donor" i5 MBP. I know that both the magsafe and ethernet ports are good on the i7 board; only the case is damaged in that area. My question is more about "is it worth the effort" to remove both boards, and install my "used" i7 board into the donor MBP, OR just keep the "never used" i5 board in its pristine case and live with the "negligible" performance drop. I won't be doing any 3D gaming on an external monitor at 2560x1600 with it.

Unless you see yourself wanting to pick up and use the nearly-perfect case each time you reach for a mid-2010 MBP in your home, then probably not. If you see yourself preferring the ~10 per cent speed bump with the i7 and you find yourself wanting to grab the pristine case, then it’s probably worth the trouble. Worse comes to worst, you can always reverse the swap later.

If what you’re asking is, frankly, “to keep the newly-acquired, pristine i5 as an investment”, then you’ll be waiting a very long time, because these were, within the mid-2010 15-inch line, the more common variant sold.

Maybe this anecdote might provide some food for thought:

I bought a used, late 2011 i7 MBP recently to replace the problematic logic board in my dozen-year-old, early 2011 i5 MBP (which I know, inside and out, and for which I have a great fondness for having gone many places with me and done well at every task I threw at it). It’s had many parts within replaced (mostly by me), but not the logic board. The plan was to get the i7 logic board from the MBP I just bought and throw it in the i5 case. Turns out, however, the i7 I bought online was in truly remarkable shape with fairly little use.

In the end, I ended up migrating the pair of SSDs from the i5 over to the i7, as I found I preferred working on the i7’s fresher keyboard (the i5 is on its third and is getting tired, though not yet failing). Even if the late 2011 i7 variant is the least common of the 2011s within this MBP line, it will likely not become “investment material” within the span of my life, so I ought to make the most of an unexpected (positive) surprise.

(Meanwhile, the OEM SuperDrive and HDD from the i5, neither of which were really ever used, were returned to the i5, where the laptop sits off in a corner of my desk with an uncertain future.)
 
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Unless you see yourself wanting to pick up and use the nearly-perfect case each time you reach for a mid-2010 MBP in your home, then probably not. If you see yourself preferring the ~10 per cent speed bump with the i7 and you find yourself wanting to grab the pristine case, then it’s probably worth the trouble. Worse comes to worst, you can always reverse the swap later.

If what you’re asking is, frankly, “to keep the newly-acquired, pristine i5 as an investment”, then you’ll be waiting a very long time, because these were, within the mid-2010 15-inch line, the more common variant sold.
Thanks again. I'm not looking at anything as an investment. I bought the "never used" i5 MBP solely for the purpose of using it's chassis (I really despise seeing the dented top case on my original i7 MBP). I bought the i5 MBP from a reputable seller on eBay for $100 USD (+ $10 shipping). The sale also included a "never used" 85W charger. The seller bought the MBP new in 2010 with the intention of making the switch from Windows, but decided (very early on) that that wasn't going to work out for him/her. So, it sat on a shelf for 12+ years. Everything has virtually zero hours on it (the battery only has 11 charge cycles, but it's toast since it's been sitting so long). New screen, new keyboard, new logic board, new super-drive, etc (the unibody doesn't have a mark/scratch on it).

I'm starting to think : with everything on the i5 2.53GHz MBP being "unused", maybe I should just install the new battery and SSD, and swap my 8GB of RAM into the i5 board (it only has the original 4GB).

I'd keep/use both 500GB HDDs and install them in enclosures, or use them in a drive dock.

Do logic boards get "tired" ? I'm not sure that the ~10% performance increase of my i7 board is worth my effort of swapping it into the i5 MBP. The modest increase in speed/performance is not as important to me as reliability. Will my "tired" i7 logic board be less reliable than a "fresh" i5 board ? Or do logic boards not get "tired" ?
 
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Thanks again. I'm not looking at anything as an investment. I bought the "never used" i5 MBP solely for the purpose of using it's chassis (I really despise seeing the dented top case on my original i7 MBP). I bought the i5 MBP from a reputable seller on eBay for $100 USD (+ $10 shipping). The sale also included a "never used" 85W charger. The seller bought the MBP new in 2010 with the intention of making the switch from Windows, but decided (very early on) that that wasn't going to work out for him/her. So, it sat on a shelf for 12+ years. Everything has virtually zero hours on it (the battery only has 11 charge cycles, but it's toast since it's been sitting so long). New screen, new keyboard, new logic board, new super-drive, etc (the unibody doesn't have a mark/scratch on it).

That’s impressive — both its condition and also the price you paid for it. I ended up paying only USD$8 less (excluding shipping) for the late 2011 13-inch i7 (whose battery had an appreciably higher, but still low 290 cycles on the original battery and 93 per cent health). You did very well with that buy, given the benefits of the 15-inch form factor.

Do logic boards get "tired" ? I'm not sure that the ~10% performance increase of my i7 board is worth my effort of swapping it into the i5 MBP. The modest increase in speed/performance is not as important to me as reliability. Will my "tired" i7 logic board be less reliable than a "fresh" i5 board ? Or do logic boards not get "tired" ?

It’s sort of a bell curve.

Generally, logic board with factory faults are the units most likely to fail early in their lifetimes (and what standard manufacturer warranties mean to cover). Then, boards which didn’t fail at the start will tend to be stable, solid units for many more years to come. After heavy, lengthy use, extant boards may become more prone to ageing in logic board substrate, solder points, heating/cooling cycling, and the like.

My 2011 i5, as noted before, has lived an extensively busy life and very nearly all of it has been powered on in some form. It was my rig for field research and primary data collection for writing a masters thesis (which was written on the same Mac); then for technical writing; then for making, working, and colour-adjusting film scans from a dedicated film scanner; then more tech writing; then a DJing rig; and then an in-home music server using the S/PDIF output (after the battery failed and the system auto-downclocked to 1.0GHz). In between, I watched plenty of films and TV series. It’s travelled with me across a dozen major cities, across four nation-states, and across two continents. It’s been thrown into bike messenger bags and laptop bags, and used in, literally, all climatological conditions (save for a hot desert).

The problem to emerge with mine was issues with the second SATA bus — the one reserved for the SuperDrive. I could have just ignored it and bought a second, larger SSD to replace the SSD with my start-up volumes (the SSD which lived in the hard drive bay), but I needed to first isolate how the failure was occurring, because I wanted to know. For reasons not clear or visibly evident on the board, the second SATA bus handled reads fine (as always), but was erroring out on writes to the second hard drive I had in lieu of the SuperDrive).

Given all the heavy, constant usage over nearly twelve years, I’m guessing my i5 board is nearing the other end of that bell curve, where things to fail will fail with greater frequency — not due to age so much as total running hours. Two other places my i5 appear different from the i7 I just bought are also electronic components whose efficiencies diminish over time: the LED for the keyboard backlight and the LED strips for the display. As these are solid-state diodes, just like all the diodes, transistors, resistors, and capacitors on the board, it’s not surprising these have diminished over years of constant use.

It’s a topic to come up semi-regularly with older Macs, many discussed over on the PowerPC Macs forum. Some are more notorious in their long-term failure rates than others, such as Power Mac G5 motherboards (which had an especially high rate of failures at the start of their lives, as well).

So the short answer to your question is “sort of”: logic boards can get “tired” in a sense.
 
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So the short answer to your question is “sort of”: logic boards can get “tired” in a sense.
Thank you for your time and advice. You've been extremely helpful in my decision making process. I'm going to keep the i5 logic board in its body, along with the other internals (except for installing the new battery and SSD), and hope to get several years of use out of it. I'll take-out and put my i7 logic board in an anti-static bag (for potential future use or sale); take out the superdrive; and sell the rest "for parts".
 
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Thank you for your time and advice. You've been extremely helpful in my decision making process. I'm going to keep the i5 logic board in its body, along with the other internals (except for installing the new battery and SSD), and hope to get several years of use out of it. I'll take-out and put my i7 logic board in an anti-static bag (for potential future use or sale); take out the superdrive; and sell the rest "for parts".

No worries! :)

I’m on the fence about what to do with my newly-retired i5.

There are still several good components in it, and I’ve been on the fence about keeping it around as a parts donor (much the way my old, 366MHz iBook G3 clamshell became a donor for my still-running key lime 466MHz iBook G3 clamshell). The big difference is parts availability for the unibody MBPs are far more plentiful by virtue of how many were sold over the span of, basically, eight years (and all the third-party parts sold alongside those).
 
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