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The idle minimum value was 0.7 watts, idle average 0.9 and idle maximum of 1.1 vs the iPhone 14 Pro at 0.56, 1.37, and 1.42.

The 15 Pro was running iOS 17.0.3.

 

[krvld]

Same time for WiFi Websurfing and just one hour more for Load (maximum brightness) compared to 13 mini.

Average Load 2.5x more. Max load almost 3x more.

Nice one, Apple.

 

[Aoligei]

A17 Pro itself is not efficient, it is less efficient than A16. The efficiency core is little bit efficient than A16, but the performance core is more power hungry and less efficient than A16.

A17 Pro’s GPU is let down, it is more power hungry than Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 but also performs less than 8 Gen 3.

However, A17 Pro’s CPU performance still dominate 8 Gen 3, it seems ARM core is still playing catching up.

 

[krvld]

A17 Pro itself is not efficient, it is less efficient than A16. The efficiency core is little bit efficient than A16, but the performance core is more power hungry and less efficient than A16.

A17 Pro’s GPU is let down, it is more power hungry than Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 but also performs less than 8 Gen 3.

However, A17 Pro’s CPU performance still dominate 8 Gen 3, it seems ARM core is still playing catching up.

Which pretty much translates to a worse day to day performance for an average user.

That’s why iPhone 15 with A16 is so much better.

 

[FeliApple]

Same time for WiFi Websurfing and just one hour more for Load (maximum brightness) compared to 13 mini.

Average Load 2.5x more. Max load almost 3x more.

Nice one, Apple.

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This is a little odd. The 13 Mini is supposedly extremely efficient yet real-world battery life is just decent?

 

[krvld]

This is a little odd. The 13 Mini is supposedly extremely efficient yet real-world battery life is just decent?

13 mini is just downsized version of regular 13 with a smaller battery. It performs really well considering it packs so many things.

Maybe if it had LCD screen and some older generation SoC it could be called extremely efficient.

You know better that we're already too far away from efficiency levels older iPhones and iOS had.
But that's only in regards to average user usage. Complex stuff iPhone packs these days is super efficient I must say.

 

[snipr125]

Which pretty much translates to a worse day to day performance for an average user.

That’s why iPhone 15 with A16 is so much better.

For every day average tasks maybe, but the 3 Nm A17 Pro is the most powerful mobile phone SoC in the world right now so for video/photo editing, gaming, medium/heavy tasks basically nothing compares to A17 Pro. Further ios updates should also make it more battery efficient in line with its 3nm size.

 

[krvld]

For every day average tasks maybe, but the 3 Nm A17 Pro is the most powerful mobile phone SoC in the world right now so for video/photo editing, gaming, medium/heavy tasks basically nothing compares to A17 Pro. Further ios updates should also make it more battery efficient in line with its 3nm size.

You forget that we’ve already reached an outstanding mobile performance for some time now.

A17 vs A15 is nothing like M1 vs Intel back when the transition happened.

That’s also why there are so many efficiency cores which do 90% of the work. Even in Mac.

 

[Mistletoe66]

Finally somebody said it. Yes a17 pro is a power hungry chip. So glad I returned mine… am contemplating a16 for my next upgrade and that should last me 5-6 years if there are no further innovations.

 

[FeliApple]

13 mini is just downsized version of regular 13 with a smaller battery. It performs really well considering it packs so many things.

Maybe if it had LCD screen and some older generation SoC it could be called extremely efficient.

You know better that we're already too far away from efficiency levels older iPhones and iOS had.
But that's only in regards to average user usage. Complex stuff iPhone packs these days is super efficient I must say.

Yeah, agreed on all counts. The 13 Mini’s battery life is great for its size, I’m just a little surprised because those tests are incredible.

I checked that website’s iPhone Xʀ review (on iOS 12!), and the 13 Mini is a lot better according to those numbers. I doubt a 13 Mini is anywhere near my Xʀ as far as real-life usage goes, even on iOS 15.

I am further surprised about standby efficiency. Every iPhone user has seen that standby has been abhorrent on iPhones since iOS 11 (my 6s on iOS 10 with a 7-year-old battery is infinitely better than my 93% health Xʀ on iOS 12), yet the idle numbers I’m seeing here suggest otherwise. I don’t think anyone denies that standby drain has worsened a LOT in the past five or six years, yet, again, these tests suggest otherwise. I’m a little confused.

 

[Aoligei]

For every day average tasks maybe, but the 3 Nm A17 Pro is the most powerful mobile phone SoC in the world right now so for video/photo editing, gaming, medium/heavy tasks basically nothing compares to A17 Pro. Further ios updates should also make it more battery efficient in line with its 3nm size.

No. This is not entirely accurate. A17 Pro has most powerful CPU core, but not necessarily the most powerful CPU.

The Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 has more core than A17, which translates to close CPU performance. 8 Gen 3 has way more powerful GPU than A17 Pro. In some review, 8 Gen 3 GPU is comparable to desktop GTX 1050.

 

[snipr125]

No. This is not entirely accurate. A17 Pro has most powerful CPU core, but not necessarily the most powerful CPU.

The Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 has more core than A17, which translates to close CPU performance. 8 Gen 3 has way more powerful GPU than A17 Pro. In some review, 8 Gen 3 GPU is comparable to desktop GTX 1050.

The snapdragon 8 gen 3 and A17 Pro are the best mobile SoC’s right now, however the snapdragon needs 2 extra cores just to be able to compete with the A17 Pros 6 cores, which is obviously far more efficient per core. I mean there is nothing new here, A chips have always been about 2 generations ahead in this regard.

 

[Diminish82]

The snapdragon 8 gen 3 and A17 Pro are the best mobile SoC’s right now, however the snapdragon needs 2 extra cores just to be able to compete with the A17 Pros 6 cores, which is obviously far more efficient per core. I mean there is nothing new here, A chips have always been about 2 generations ahead in this regard.

The snapdragon chip bests the A17 Pro in nearly all metrics, yet you're still saying A chips are still two generations ahead? I don't see it.

 

[snipr125]

The snapdragon chip bests the A17 Pro in nearly all metrics, yet you're still saying A chips are still two generations ahead? I don't see it.

I dont know where you got this information from. According to geekbench:
A17 Pro single core 2951
Multicore:7382

SD 8 Gen 3: 2179
Multicore: 7284

Note that the A17 pro only has 6 cores, yet still beats all the 8 cores of the SD 8 in multicore performance. A lot of this efficiency is through IOS of course. Yes the SD8 Gen 3 has a slightly better GPU, thats the only area where it wins.

The 2 generations gap is the single core performance and in this regard, the SD8 3 can barely match the A15 which is 2 years old.

 

[Mistletoe66]

I dont know where you got this information from. According to geekbench:
A17 Pro single core 2951
Multicore:7382

SD 8 Gen 3: 2179
Multicore: 7284

Note that the A17 pro only has 6 cores, yet still beats all the 8 cores of the SD 8 in multicore performance. A lot of this efficiency is through IOS of course. Yes the SD8 Gen 3 has a slightly better GPU, thats the only area where it wins.

The 2 generations gap is the single core performance and in this regard, the SD8 3 can barely match the A15 which is 2 years old.

Can we talk about power eefficiency ?
14w peak power consumption is no joke on the iPhone 15 pro series… I might as well get a MacBook pro

 

[Aoligei]

Can we talk about power eefficiency ?
14w peak power consumption is no joke on the iPhone 15 pro series… I might as well get a MacBook pro

Not really. AMR core like A720 and A520 aren’t as efficient as A17’s efficiency core. But it does consume lesser power, but it doesn’t mean A17 isn’t power efficient compare with ARM core.

What interesting is next year when 8 Gen 4 use its own custom designed ARM core.

 

[Aoligei]

I dont know where you got this information from. According to geekbench:
A17 Pro single core 2951
Multicore:7382

SD 8 Gen 3: 2179
Multicore: 7284

Note that the A17 pro only has 6 cores, yet still beats all the 8 cores of the SD 8 in multicore performance. A lot of this efficiency is through IOS of course. Yes the SD8 Gen 3 has a slightly better GPU, thats the only area where it wins.

The 2 generations gap is the single core performance and in this regard, the SD8 3 can barely match the A15 which is 2 years old.

Rather 6 cores or 8 cores really doesn’t matter to average users. Problem with A17 is that it’s consuming lots of power and it heats up rather quickly.

Apple can try to blame software as much as they want, A17 Pro consume lots of power. One thing I don’t understand is Apple skimping on cooling solutions.

 

[snipr125]

Rather 6 cores or 8 cores really doesn’t matter to average users. Problem with A17 is that it’s consuming lots of power and it heats up rather quickly.

Apple can try to blame software as much as they want, A17 Pro consume lots of power. One thing I don’t understand is Apple skimping on cooling solutions.

Ok but in relation to this thread, it does matter as the A17 Pro is far more efficient than the SD8 gen 3, in terms of performance per watt.