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ukms

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Hi All

I have moderate hearing loss and I’m currently trialling a very expensive (but very good) pair of Signia Silk (in ear) hearing aids. During my research I discovered that AirPod pro can also act as hearing aids ….. Ive programmed them by uploading my Audiogram in apple health and I have to say there are many scenarios for me where the AirPods do a better job and/or more convenient although there are obvious limitations due to battery life and physical appearance for some situations.

Just wondered if anyone else is using them and could share experiences good and bad.
 
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ukms

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Very curious to see whether or not or when Apple will file for FDA approval : https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pre...irst-self-fitting-hearing-aid-controlled-user
I suppose that may depend on whether they go all out to make a true hearing aid versus making it easy for consumers to use the AirPods Pro as a hearing aid if they choose ...... I suppose the lack of FDA approval also restricts how they market the features, which is currently very low key.

I am continuing to use mine as a hearing aid and for me they work extremely well in many situations, however as I mentioned before appearance and battery life are a limiting factor. That said my wife is now super happy that we don't have the TV so loud :) "Happy wife .... Happy life"
 

MayaTlab

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Do you have any opinion on the conversation boost feature ?

I'm not (yet :D) in a situation where hearing aids are a necessity, so can't form a personal opinion of these features, but I find the transformation of personal listening devices (ie TWS earbuds) into health apparatus quite fascinating, so your feedback would be interesting.

When you think of it, we've been talking about augmented reality wearables for a while, but in a certain sense, hearing aids have been such devices for a long while already.
 

Htsi

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I would expect dedicated hearing aids to be much more comfortable For one. I find can’t wear my AirPods Pro for more than 20-40 mins at a go. Too uncomfortable
 

ukms

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Do you have any opinion on the conversation boost feature ?

I'm not (yet :D) in a situation where hearing aids are a necessity, so can't form a personal opinion of these features, but I find the transformation of personal listening devices (ie TWS earbuds) into health apparatus quite fascinating, so your feedback would be interesting.

When you think of it, we've been talking about augmented reality wearables for a while, but in a certain sense, hearing aids have been such devices for a long while already.
Conversation boost seems to work quite well for me, as do the other adjustments of ambient noise reduction and amplification. I have found a sweet spot of settings to enjoy the TV whilst it’s at an acceptable level for my wife to enjoy without being loud.
 

ukms

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I would expect dedicated hearing aids to be much more comfortable For one. I find can’t wear my AirPods Pro for more than 20-40 mins at a go. Too uncomfortable
Of course I’m sure they would be ….. but even for regular use 20-40 mins clearly indicates that perhaps AirPods are not for you anyway.
 
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Of course I’m sure they would be ….. but even for regular use 20-40 mins clearly indicates that perhaps AirPods are not for you anyway.
Do you find them to be more comfortable than your hearing aids?

Yes the AirPods Pro for me are small timed usage devices. The AirPods max work much better for me but instances like walking out in summer or going to the dentist, the AirPods Pro work lovely.
 

ukms

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Do you find them to be more comfortable than your hearing aids?

Yes the AirPods Pro for me are small timed usage devices. The AirPods max work much better for me but instances like walking out in summer or going to the dentist, the AirPods Pro work lovely.
I don’t yet have my proper full time hearing aids, I’m currently trialing. (The barrier at the moment is the inflated cost where I live in UAE compared to UK and EU) But in general I find AirPods comfortable to wear for as long as the battery lasts, however like you I also have Max which are very comfortable.
 

FreakinEurekan

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Battery life is, to put it mildly, not gonna cut it. I do wear MFi hearing aids most days, but on my day off when I’m just listening to music & working in my shop I do prefer the sound quality of the AirPods (and the ANR for power tools, and the ability to pause/play from the stem). They work “Okay” as far as sound amplification, with my profile loaded… certainly not up to snuff with my actual hearing aids but better than nothing.
 

Htsi

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Battery life is, to put it mildly, not gonna cut it. I do wear MFi hearing aids most days, but on my day off when I’m just listening to music & working in my shop I do prefer the sound quality of the AirPods (and the ANR for power tools, and the ability to pause/play from the stem). They work “Okay” as far as sound amplification, with my profile loaded… certainly not up to snuff with my actual hearing aids but better than nothing.
How is the experience with MFI aids?
you can take calls and listen to things from your iPhone without pairing daily etc?
I have to get a set of aids for my grandfather and think that MFI with an iPhone is the way to go. He is currently on an Android
 

FreakinEurekan

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How is the experience with MFI aids?
you can take calls and listen to things from your iPhone without pairing daily etc?
I have to get a set of aids for my grandfather and think that MFI with an iPhone is the way to go. He is currently on an Android
I like them quite a lot - anything from my iPhone or iPad comes through, so it’s super handy watching a video or taking a phone call. With most MFi aids, including mine, you’ll still use the microphone in the iPhone for phone calls, which can be accomplished by putting it in a breast pocket or just holding the phone. There are a couple of new models that support “Bidirectional Streaming” where the mic is built into the hearing aid but that’s a brand-new feature just introduced with iOS 15 and requires a compatible aid (* asterisk in the list here).

I’m actually on my 2nd set of MFi, used to have the Resound LiNX Quattro and switched to the LiNX 3D a couple of years ago for the rechargeable battery. I gave the LiNX Quattro to my mom to replace her 6-year-old hearing aids and…. She doesn’t care for the MFi feature at all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ She likes the app & the ability to control settings from her phone, but she had me disable all the audio features. To each their own.
 
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I like them quite a lot - anything from my iPhone or iPad comes through, so it’s super handy watching a video or taking a phone call. With most MFi aids, including mine, you’ll still use the microphone in the iPhone for phone calls, which can be accomplished by putting it in a breast pocket or just holding the phone. There are a couple of new models that support “Bidirectional Streaming” where the mic is built into the hearing aid but that’s a brand-new feature just introduced with iOS 15 and requires a compatible aid (* asterisk in the list here).

I’m actually on my 2nd set of MFi, used to have the Resound LiNX Quattro and switched to the LiNX 3D a couple of years ago for the rechargeable battery. I gave the LiNX Quattro to my mom to replace her 6-year-old hearing aids and…. She doesn’t care for the MFi feature at all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ She likes the app & the ability to control settings from her phone, but she had me disable all the audio features. To each their own.
Thank you for your detailed feedback, I did not know the phone mic was used with the aids.
 

Khaetra

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I am using mine as hearing aids until I can afford to get the real things (hopefully later this year). For the price and what they do I think they are pretty good. I don't have to turn the TV up to 11 and I no longer have to have family speak louder than normal. They pick up a lot of things I was missing in general, so beware that life is really loud ?.

Battery life is short if you use them this way (about 4 hours) so I usually don't use them for hearing purposes until the evening. I also get an annoying 'chirp', like when a fire alarm battery is going dead (it's not, I checked). It's not real loud but it's there enough to notice. Also if it's windy, you definitely know it!
 

bruce316

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I think they are great. I have severe hearing loss and I use MFI Oticon 1 hearing aids but I enjoy the APP around the house and on days I don't feel like wearing the regular hearing aids. They really perform quite well even though my hearing loss is worse than what they are targeted for. I could use maybe a 15% bump in volume but otherwise not bad at all. I appreciate what Apple has done with these for the hearing impaired and I hope they continue to refine them for that purpose. It's amazing how close a set of $200 ear buds can compare to hearing aids that cost $$$$.
 
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mfram

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I have severe hearing loss and my experience is that using the APP as a "hearing aid" just doesn't cut it. I entered my audiogram into Health and the phone does a pretty good job compensating the sound it sends to the APP for my hearing loss. While in Transparent mode with Conversation Boost on, it really tries to make it so I can hear people around me. It's not too bad for the short term while wearing the AirPods, but it certainly can't come close to matching the performance of my high-end Oticon More 1 aids. For example, I don't believe the APP have any kind of compression in the sound that's needed to help me understand speech in my case. The MFI experience is very good with my Oticon aids and they are much more comfortable than APP. Oticon aids are expensive, but they do a tremendous amount of R+D to make it so that I can hear people around me in a variety of settings including noisy restaurants. APP wouldn't stand a chance.

Maybe people with less serious hearing loss will find some use for them in general. But who wants to walk around with giant white earbuds in your ears all the time?
 
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macsound1

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I have severe hearing loss and my experience is that using the APP as a "hearing aid" just doesn't cut it. I entered my audiogram into Health and the phone does a pretty good job compensating the sound it sends to the APP for my hearing loss. While in Transparent mode with Conversation Boost on, it really tries to make it so I can hear people around me. It's not too bad for the short term while wearing the AirPods, but it certainly can't come close to matching the performance of my high-end Oticon More 1 aids. For example, I don't believe the APP have any kind of compression in the sound that's needed to help me understand speech in my case. The MFI experience is very good with my Oticon aids and they are much more comfortable than APP. Oticon aids are expensive, but they do a tremendous amount of R+D to make it so that I can hear people around me in a variety of settings including noisy restaurants. APP wouldn't stand a chance.

Maybe people with less serious hearing loss will find some use for them in general. But who wants to walk around with giant white earbuds in your ears all the time?
Remember when everyone just wore their bluetooth headsets all day. Like in 2005. I don't think I have a family photo with my uncle without him wearing his. Thought it was cool, like wearing your phone on a belt clip.
 

macsound1

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I don’t yet have my proper full time hearing aids, I’m currently trialing. (The barrier at the moment is the inflated cost where I live in UAE compared to UK and EU) But in general I find AirPods comfortable to wear for as long as the battery lasts, however like you I also have Max which are very comfortable.
Something I've been working with for my dad is some sort of bluetooth headphones that could connect to the TV.
The companies that make dedicated "hard of hearing" devices that connect to the TV are often based on IR and have terrible, truly horrible quality.
So my dad was staying over for a couple weeks during a surgery and I just connected bluetooth transmitter to the TV's audio output and gave him a pair of earbuds. The great thing was for things like gameshows where we'd chat, he could just wear one ear. If he was watching TV on his own, he could wear both ears.
Another TV option would be those bluetooth neck speaker, so you could use that as TV sound and your wife could hear it too.
 

T Coma

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But who wants to walk around with giant white earbuds in your ears all the time?

I’ll tell you who: proud, stubborn old men who won’t be seen with, or more importantly, admit to needing a traditional hearing aid. My mother and I conspired to get my dad some hearing assistance that is apparently not a hearing aid. I took care of the purchase of the APPs for his upcoming 80th bday as well as the anecdotal research, she’s got maybe the more challenging task of getting him to wear them specifically for the times he needs a hearing boost: TV nights, noisy family parties, or whatever.
 
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Bl0ckHe1d

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I have severe hearing loss and my experience is that using the APP as a "hearing aid" just doesn't cut it. I entered my audiogram into Health and the phone does a pretty good job compensating the sound it sends to the APP for my hearing loss. While in Transparent mode with Conversation Boost on, it really tries to make it so I can hear people around me. It's not too bad for the short term while wearing the AirPods, but it certainly can't come close to matching the performance of my high-end Oticon More 1 aids. For example, I don't believe the APP have any kind of compression in the sound that's needed to help me understand speech in my case. The MFI experience is very good with my Oticon aids and they are much more comfortable than APP. Oticon aids are expensive, but they do a tremendous amount of R+D to make it so that I can hear people around me in a variety of settings including noisy restaurants. APP wouldn't stand a chance.

Maybe people with less serious hearing loss will find some use for them in general. But who wants to walk around with giant white earbuds in your ears all the time?
In my opinion, the Oticon More 1 are lightyears ahead of the AirPods Pro / Max, they are however designed to be hearing aids for those with serious hearing loss!

Like you I have tried both the AirPods Pro / Max and was gutted that I had to send them back because the audio from the More 1 is far superior than the Apple products. Hopefully one day there will be an AirPods (Pro 2) that would be suitable for my hearing loss, not just as hearing aids but to comfortably listen to audio from it.
 
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Eskie227

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I have mild to moderate hearing loss, pretty typical roll off from noise exposure over the years. I was having difficulty understanding my daughter’s voice, making us both progressively uncomfortable. Male voices, as expected, are much better, so her fiancé was understandably better, adding to the discomfort of not understanding my daughter that much more frustrating for us.

I gave in and got some Starkey Livio RICs to help. I had recurrent fitting issues with multiple size tips which still had me fiddling with them a few times an hour. I’m also prone to excessive ear wax, and even with regular trips to ENT for proper cleanings every four months, would clog the wax filters 2-3 times a week. Throw in glasses, and then masks, and I rarely wore them. I was over on the hearing aid forum and learned about the APPs and conversation boost.

I still enjoy music and my Sennheiser Monentums over the ear still serve me well. Despite my audiogram, I can still distinguish compression differences and lossless music (go figure, and yes, those were on blinded tests). The Starkey’s, while MFi, are awful for music and poor for video, limiting my watching movies. All in all, several thousand dollars and an unhappy camper.

After a week with the APP’s and transparency and conversation boost, my results are about 80% the performance of the Livio’s for general speech, excellent for music enjoyment (still prefer my headphones but these are quite good), decent ANC (again, not as good as the Sennheiser’s, but more pleasant when out and about), more comfortable than the RIC’s with less fiddling around, better for phone calls (sure, I could hear through the Starkey’s, but had to talk into the phone), and perfectly fine with masks and glasses (have yet to get a mask tangled with the RIC wire getting caught and flying across the room taking the mask off).

Are they as good as a dedicated HA? No. Are they sufficient for my level of hearing loss? Pretty much yes. As to appearance, everyone else has buds of some type in their ear these days, and I’m not self conscious about it at all (granted, in comparison they do make the Starkey’s seem very discreet).

Apple found a nice way around the FDA OTC HA approval process with no claims made. Unlike the more expensive Bose OTCs, they’re cheaper and multifunctional with solid music, spatial audio for fake surround sound, and well integrated between my phone, iPad, and Apple Watch.

Are they for everyone? Of course not. As my hearing loss worsens over time, I can always go back to the Starkey’s (carefully stored given the expense and probable need in several more years, or not). Are they a very affordable interim solution for my degree of hearing loss? Absolutely. And if Apple does move to true OTC aids, I expect the quality to be excellent for the cost. I got these for $180 on a sale on Amazon, figuring I had 30 days to return them. However, these are keepers for me. I do wish the battery life was better, but as I’m semi retired, 5 or so hours before going back in the case is not terrible for me.

So in short,a decent first impression and a lot of potential at a very affordable price. And just decent semi-IEMs that are good for music and TV entertainment.
 
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macsound1

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I have mild to moderate hearing loss, pretty typical roll off from noise exposure over the years. I was having difficulty understanding my daughter’s voice, making us both progressively uncomfortable. Male voices, as expected, are much better, so her fiancé was understandably better, adding to the discomfort of not understanding my daughter that much more frustrating for us.

I gave in and got some Starkey Livio RICs to help. I had recurrent fitting issues with multiple size tips which still had me fiddling with them a few times an hour. I’m also prone to excessive ear wax, and even with regular trips to ENT for proper cleanings every four months, would clog the wax filters 2-3 times a week. Throw in glasses, and then masks, and I rarely wore them. I was over on the hearing aid forum and learned about the APPs and conversation boost.

I still enjoy music and my Sennheiser Monentums over the ear still serve me well. Despite my audiogram, I can still distinguish compression differences and lossless music (go figure, and yes, those were on blinded tests). The Starkey’s, while MFi, are awful for music and poor for video, limiting my watching movies. All in all, several thousand dollars and an unhappy camper.

After a week with the APP’s and transparency and conversation boost, my results are about 80% the performance of the Livio’s for general speech, excellent for music enjoyment (still prefer my headphones but these are quite good), decent ANC (again, not as good as the Sennheiser’s, but more pleasant when out and about), more comfortable than the RIC’s with less fiddling around, better for phone calls (sure, I could hear through the Starkey’s, but had to talk into the phone), and perfectly fine with masks and glasses (have yet to get a mask tangled with the RIC wire getting caught and flying across the room taking the mask off).

Are they as good as a dedicated HA? No. Are they sufficient for my level of hearing loss? Pretty much yes. As to appearance, everyone else has buds of some type in their ear these days, and I’m not self conscious about it at all (granted, in comparison they do make the Starkey’s seem very discreet).

Apple found a nice way around the FDA OTC HA approval process with no claims made. Unlike the more expensive Bose OTCs, they’re cheaper and multifunctional with solid music, spatial audio for fake surround sound, and well integrated between my phone, iPad, and Apple Watch.

Are they for everyone? Of course not. As my hearing loss worsens over time, I can always go back to the Starkey’s (carefully stored given the expense and probable need in several more years, or not). Are they a very affordable interim solution for my degree of hearing loss? Absolutely. And if Apple does move to true OTC aids, I expect the quality to be excellent for the cost. I got these for $180 on a sale on Amazon, figuring I had 30 days to return them. However, these are keepers for me. I do wish the battery life was better, but as I’m semi retired, 5 or so hours before going back in the case is not terrible for me.

So in short,a decent first impression and a lot of potential at a very affordable price. And just decent semi-IEMs that are good for music and TV entertainment.
Glad to see the Air Pod Pros are a good solution for you at the time being.

How do you deal with battery life? Do you take one out to charge and switch to the other midday or so? Or do you only wear them when you're in an environment when you think you'll need them?

Also - if you're storing your Starkey hearing aids, be sure the battery level is around 75% and check on them a couple times a year to get them back to 75%. Batteries don't have a good overall life if they're stored at 100 or 0%. Lithium batteries need to be excited every so often so they don't go flat.
 

Eskie227

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Glad to see the Air Pod Pros are a good solution for you at the time being.

How do you deal with battery life? Do you take one out to charge and switch to the other midday or so? Or do you only wear them when you're in an environment when you think you'll need them?

Also - if you're storing your Starkey hearing aids, be sure the battery level is around 75% and check on them a couple times a year to get them back to 75%. Batteries don't have a good overall life if they're stored at 100 or 0%. Lithium batteries need to be excited every so often so they don't go flat.
I only wear them when I’m in a setting where I’ll need them (if not listening to music or watching a video). The fact I can get an hour out of them with a 5-10 minute charge also reduces the problem. They also hold up a bit longer in transparency mode than with ANC on, so that helps. And my loss isn’t severe, so I can muddle along for a half hour and get a good charge in them. The case makes it pretty easy for me.

Thanks for the advice on the Starkey’s. They’re behind the ear RIC models and use button batteries so no Li battery to deal with. I just store them in a tight container with a desiccant to keep them dry.
 

flameproof

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I am curious, do they work only in combination with the iPhone? Or can watch TV with them (I read above that works) or what a notebook video and get the audio from the notebook via BT. And in a conversation, the AirPods Pro Mic catches the audio?

I wonder where the acoustic profile is stored, with the AirPods Pro? Can I switch the phone off, or to flight mode and still have the full AirPods Pro hearing aid function?

>Oticon More 1 are lightyears ahead

I heard good things about them. But they are $1700 or so and they do look like hearing aids. I find the AirPods Pro have a nice design and might good enough for mild support.

Update - to answer my own Question

Must it be setup with an iPhone: Yes

Must it be used with an iPhone: No. After initial setup you can use it without any phone.

Where are the profiles stored: On the AirPods Pro

Source:

 
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