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Coltaine

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Actually, I cannot seem to find any information on this: AirPods Max (likewise AirPods Pro) obviously employ Adaptive EQ that constantly adjusts the frequencies of the music you are hearing. So in theory no additional EQ is necessary. What happens to Adaptive EQ, if you set one of the Software EQs (e.g. Rock) in iOS or macOS? Does it somehow override what the Adaptive EQ is doing or does Adaptive EQ adjust frequencies on top of the Software EQ settings?

Thanks a lot for your input!
 

BaddAdvice

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Great question - I’d like to know as well. And, throw in the Headphone Accommodation settings in Accessibility - how do those all interact with each other???
 
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Coltaine

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Great question - I’d like to know as well. And, throw in the Headphone Accommodation settings in Accessibility - how do those all interact with each other???
That would interest me as well. What is going on here? Are all these various settings (Adaptive EQ, Software EQ, Headphone Accommodation) synergistic, do they exclude/override each other, if so, which one is the most dominant in the hierarchy?
 
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That would interest me as well. What is going on here? Are all these various settings (Adaptive EQ, Software EQ, Headphone Accommodation) synergistic, do they exclude/override each other, if so, which one is the most dominant in the hierarchy?
It’s definitely a bit confusing; from my use and observation, it appears the adaptive EQ centers more ensuring a consistent sound throughout headset movement, adjustment, environment shifts (noisy, etc.), obstacles (hair, glasses, etc.) and such... not overriding the actual sound EQ preferences. Maybe a bit of augmentation there, knowing Apple... who knows?
I just discovered the Accessibility settings yesterday - they seem to offer a slightly adjustable broad stroke to boost mids or highs. Can be beneficial for certain EQ presets - like Hip-Hop or Rock. Tweak to taste.
 

BaddAdvice

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It’s definitely a bit confusing; from my use and observation, it appears the adaptive EQ centers more ensuring a consistent sound throughout headset movement, adjustment, environment shifts (noisy, etc.), obstacles (hair, glasses, etc.) and such... not overriding the actual sound EQ preferences. Maybe a bit of augmentation there, knowing Apple... who knows?
I just discovered the Accessibility settings yesterday - they seem to offer a slightly adjustable broad stroke to boost mids or highs. Can be beneficial for certain EQ presets - like Hip-Hop or Rock. Tweak to taste.
Makes sense. I'm wondering where the native Music app's selectable EQ comes into play? In my testing it seems to layer its effects upon the accommodated EQs? I think everything off/flat is the sweet spot, at least for me. But, it's nice to have some options!
 

Coltaine

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Thanks to everyone for weighing in with your opinion. As mentioned in the other thread, at the moment I turned everything to off to let the Adaptive EQ do its work. I also turned off the Sound Enhancer in the Music App on macOS.
 
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I usually have the EQ turned off. Does anyone actually use the set EQ settings?
 

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Thanks to everyone for weighing in with your opinion. As mentioned in the other thread, at the moment I turned everything to off to let the Adaptive EQ do its work. I also turned off the Sound Enhancer in the Music App on macOS.
Usually the way to go. But interesting query.
 
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As far as I understand, adaptive EQ is basically to counteract things like glasses, position of the headphone on your head etc. Headphone Accomodations basically applies to the sound of your headphones in every app. It's on system level. So it effects the youtube output as much as apple music.

The music EQ is basically the ages old equalizer which only is applied to Apple Music app. It offers the most control obviously.

I tend to keep the EQ at flat and play with Accomodations a lot. I currently switch between audiogram and off. Sometimes off is better, sometimes my own audiogram settings are better.
 
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EQ is processed in the iPhone/iPad (or any other source) and then that signal is sent to the AirPods. The AirPods process Adaptive EQ on the input signal to match the variables in the AirPods. So the 2 are basically independent of each other.
 
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yticolev

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Adaptive EQ is 100% H1 controlled by the two H1 processors in the headphones. The adaption they do is strictly related to the sensed environment which includes how your ears reflect and scatter sound, the interior volume left in the earcups after body parts, hair, earpad compression, and glasses. This doesn't change unless the environment changes (such as the headphone seal from say headphone movement) and in any case is trying to achieve consistency. You can actually test this by say sticking a pencil under the pads during music playing, and further levering the pencil to break the seal. The sound will stay the same until the break in the seal gets too large.

It is possible that some underlying EQ is applied to alter the frequency response of the drivers to a curve the engineers wanted to achieve for best resultant sound for most users. If so, this could change with different firmware (as reports seem to suggest has already happened). So could the parameters of the adaptive EQ change with firmware if fine tuning it is deemed to be a plus.

But those two types of EQ will not change because you have added your own EQ. Any personal changes will perform as expected. You can do that with accessibility options in iOS, adding audiograms from apps like Mimi in Apple Health, available EQ in specific apps like Spotify, or third party EQ only apps like Boom.
 

Coltaine

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Adaptive EQ is 100% H1 controlled by the two H1 processors in the headphones. The adaption they do is strictly related to the sensed environment which includes how your ears reflect and scatter sound, the interior volume left in the earcups after body parts, hair, earpad compression, and glasses. This doesn't change unless the environment changes (such as the headphone seal from say headphone movement) and in any case is trying to achieve consistency. You can actually test this by say sticking a pencil under the pads during music playing, and further levering the pencil to break the seal. The sound will stay the same until the break in the seal gets too large.

It is possible that some underlying EQ is applied to alter the frequency response of the drivers to a curve the engineers wanted to achieve for best resultant sound for most users. If so, this could change with different firmware (as reports seem to suggest has already happened). So could the parameters of the adaptive EQ change with firmware if fine tuning it is deemed to be a plus.

But those two types of EQ will not change because you have added your own EQ. Any personal changes will perform as expected. You can do that with accessibility options in iOS, adding audiograms from apps like Mimi in Apple Health, available EQ in specific apps like Spotify, or third party EQ only apps like Boom.

Very interesting insight!

Thank you very much!
 

wwinter86

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I’ve heard if you have noise cancelling and transparency modes off that it turns adaptive EQ off is that right?
 

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No, it is always on. What I read is that it will adjust the bass level based on the fit you have, so that it will always sound the same.

It doesn't replace a real EQ where you can tune the headphones to your liking.
 
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MayaTlab

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I’ve heard if you have noise cancelling and transparency modes off that it turns adaptive EQ off is that right?

Nope, but the algorithm seems to work a little bit differently and requires a broad signal (noise, music) to work properly (not sine sweeps).

Adaptive EQ seems similar to what most advanced ANC headphones can achieve : basically, up to a certain frequency, the ANC feedback mechanism is able to deliver an exact dB value for a specific digital value, across multiple users, and regardless of pad compression, seal breach (to a reasonable degree), etc.

For people familiar with frequency response :
Rtings measures headphones' bass levels on five real human subjects, up to a few hundred herts. ANC headphones with a solid feedback mechanism tend to be the most consistent ones across different users, at as far as closed backs are concerned :
Ex : https://www.rtings.com/headphones/1-5/graph#565/7914

Another way to illustrate what Adaptive EQ does is to measure headphones with various degree of compression on the pads and see whether or not it affects the response :

Screenshot 2021-10-01 at 10.27.18.png


Important notes :
  • These measurements were made on my head with blocked ear canal entrance microphones. They look like this :
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  • Individual measurements, these aren’t averaged, right ear only. 1/48 smoothing.
  • The measurements were made with sweeps. For the ANC headphones measurements done with noise were made to check whether or not the signal affected the results (it didn't - although it may do for the APM when ANC is off).
  • The traces were not normalised.
  • The blue trace is the HPs as they naturally sit on my head. The red traces are varying degrees of compression or even pull.
  • The compression / pull was made manually. This is why the repeatability of the exact degree of compression is poor, and some traces are noisy at lower frequencies. But that should be enough to get an idea of how the feedback mechanism works, at least compared to no feedback. It looked like this during the measurements :
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  • The absolute values are incorrect, only look at the relative values between the traces for the same headphones.
  • The relative values between the headphones are most likely incorrect in between around 1.5-4.5kHz (perhaps above), they react differently to the load of the ear canal (remember : these are blocked ear canal measurements), and in different ways, and some are more sensitive to it than others. I repeat : only look at the relative values between the traces for the same HP.
  • The Bose QC45 has a volume dependent EQ. Initial quick tests suggest that it’s a very dumb implementation, that only looks at the internal volume setting to apply an equal loudness compensation curve, and doesn’t look at the digital values of the incoming signal. So you’ll get different results if you test them at internal volume 20% vs. 80%, but not if you compare a test signal at -10dB vs -40dB. 50% (on my Mac or iPhone) corresponds to the volume Iimit I don’t really like to go above when listening to music with them. They’re new and the pads haven’t broken in yet (may play a role, or not).
  • The pads weren’t warmed up before measuring the headphones. I’m not certain but I believe that it plays a small role for some of them (K371 mostly).
You can see that the feedback mechanism successfully maintained a similar response in the range where it operates (up to around 500-600Hz for the Sony, 700-800Hz for the APM, 800-1kHz for the Bose).

I am skeptical that the APM's adaptive EQ works above that frequency or that the DSP does any fancy tricks. The response seems to start to show a variable behaviour above, constant with a lack of ANC feedback, but I've seen some irregularities up to 3kHz or so that makes me a little it flummoxed.

In regards to @Coltaine 's question, applying your own EQ on top of it will affect the frequency response as expected : Adaptive EQ (= feedback mechanism) simply ensures that the right dB value is delivered for a specific digital value, below a certain frequency.

I believe that Adaptive EQ still operates when ANC is turned off, but that the algorithm may require a broad signal to properly operate in these conditions.

This is the APM measured with ANC on (fuchsia traces) and off (turquoise traces), with both sweeps (bottom traces) and white noise (above traces) :

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Notes : same as above, please don't look at the absolute values, only at the relative differences between the traces.
These are individual traces, no averages. Please discard data below 50-60Hz, some of the difference is caused by nuisance variables that weren't properly controlled.

You can see that when using noise as a signal, the traces align with each others. When using sweeps, when ANC is on, the results are repeatedly the same and the traces correspond to noise measurements, but when ANC is off, the traces deviate a little bit and in irregular way. The individual trace shown above is a good representation of the sort of variation I'm seeing.

Music is a broad signal so I think that frequency response is meant to be the same whether ANC is on or off.

To confirm that I'd need to test ANC off with white noise with varying degrees of pad compression but for various reasons feasibility is a little difficult with the same methodology as above.
 
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