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GreenLightLuke

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So disclaimer first: I am not an audiophile, I’ve never owned a pair of overhead headphones and I am coming from AirPods Pro.

I’ve had these for over 24 hours now and used them a lot in that time, wanted to give my thoughts if any one else was considering them or on the fence.

First let me give you a quick overview of the type of content I’ve been listening to

I’ve used them: working at a desk, cooking in the kitchen, in bed and at the gym.

I’ve listened to:
1) Best of Rock 1984: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DXbeU15XEtkjO?si=_gBh6By5TsKW0OGZhket9w

2) Blond by Frank Ocean:

3) Jazz Classics: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DXbITWG1ZJKYt?si=pH4ORF7WThatmOdZpmEJcA

4) Lost Girls by Bat for Lashes:

5) Christmas Coffeehouse: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DXb7KOnsvmh8V?si=u_E0PLMBTaW3p7BX90E6gQ

I’ve watched:
- 2 hours of YouTube
- an episode of Mandalorian
- Sky News

I upgraded from the AirPod Pros because I found in ear eventually too invasive to wear for long periods of time. They were great for sound and obviously given the size very convenient.

So now that’s out of the way.

INITIAL THOUGHTS

when I first put them on I noticed just how heavy they were, not neck breaking by any means but I definitely felt like something was on my head and I thought they’d be getting returned soon after, but I stuck with it and after about an hour it was fine, I got used to the weight and no longer an issue. But if you are moving from in-ear, earbuds or lighter headphones do bear it in mind.

The sound is really brilliant, I thought the Pros were brilliant for sound and I suppose for in-ear that is still the case, but I think the Pros lean more towards cleaner vocals sacrificing how clear instruments should be coming through. The best way I can describe it, is it sounds fuller. Each instrument and each vocal comes through with more clarity. I’ve listened to Blond several times a year since it has come out, but I listened to it this morning and picked up on sounds and lyrics I’d never noticed before.

Sitting at my desk after 10 minutes I’m lost in the music, the noise cancellation does such a good job of blocking outside noise, it offers such good escapism. They are comfortable on the ears, plenty of space and I wish I jumped on headphones sooner.

I know they aren’t sweat or water resistant but I took a calculated risk and went to the gym with them. I did a 5km run and completed it with the headphones. I took my Pros just in case they were too uncomfortable but they did the job perfectly. Initially during a warm up I was aware of a “thump thump” from my feet and the treadmill but when I got into the jog, turned up the music, I couldn’t hear a thing and in the 30mins it took me to complete the 5km they were comfortable throughout, again pure escapism to the extent the run was over sooner than expected. There is little movement on my head and if anything it reinforced my posture so I was always looking ahead. The Pros for me were too fiddly, they would stay in my ear, then when I got warm or breathing in and out the jaw movement would force the Pros to come loose, very frustrating so happy that I don’t have to worry about that anymore.

Moving around the house, like for cooking, I found the headphones fine, I don’t notice wobble on the top of my head or weight issues and can comfortable cook up a meal and wear them throughout.

A lot has been said on the case, and I was very vocal about it. I still think it’s stupid, bad design and not very friendly. In practical use though, I don’t think it’s going to be a big issue. I took them to the gym and chucked the case in my bag, didn’t think about it once throughout the workout and I carried them in the case to my car. The headphones in the case will lie flat in a bag, and I don’t know about anyone else but isn’t having a square case going to take up more space in a bag? I genuinely don’t know but it was a thought I had.

Overall I hate the case, but it shouldn’t be a deal breaker.

Lots of reviews about spatial audio so I don’t need to speak too much about it, sounds great watching Mandalorian and it really is an experience when the sound moves around you. It doesn’t sound like sound is coming into each ear it sounds like the sound is coming from the front of me. I hope that makes sense, but it is a great effect and I think once people sit and watching something with spatial audio they will appreciate the feature.

I am wearing these headphones as much as possible, to make sure it is the right purchase for me and I am leaning towards a yes. Despite initial reservations about the weight, they are a great set of headphones. I listen to music all the time in my day so having a pair of great headphones that I can take around with me is important.

I’m hoping to see my friend over the weekend to compare with Sony XM4.

Feel free to ask me anything but hope this helps.
 

GreenLightLuke

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Thanks for the thorough review. I'm not persuaded but it's helpful to hear from someone who doesn't consider themself an "audiophile."
I think at the price they charge it would take a lot of convincing so I don’t blame you if you aren’t convinced. Thankfully they have a very generous returns policy, which gives me confidence to at least give them a shot.
 

richard371

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I have until jan 8th to return. They are warming ups to me. My XM4s will be here Friday. Looking forward to comparing the 2. but the case gawd whoever at apple designed that should be fired.
 

Lammy

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In reference to you using them to work out: Do you sweat? Do you think the sweat went into the replaceable ear cups? Any discoloration? Do you wipe them off with a gym wipe (equipment wipe) when you’re done?
 
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GreenLightLuke

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In reference to you using them to work out: Do you sweat? Do you think the sweat went into the replaceable ear cups? Any discoloration? Do you wipe them off with a gym wipe (equipment wipe) when you’re done?
So post workout I took the headphones off and (sweaty forehead, back etc aside) my ears were warm but not wet. I removed the ear cups and wiped the inside of them with a cloth just in case there was any moisture but I didn‘t see any moisture or sweat on the inside.
No discolouration on the cups either.

I think my limit would be running outside in the rain.

inside on a treadmill where I can give them a dry wipe down after I think I can risk. My ears don’t sweat to the extent it is a concern.
 
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GreenLightLuke

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I have until jan 8th to return. They are warming ups to me. My XM4s will be here Friday. Looking forward to comparing the 2. but the case gawd whoever at apple designed that should be fired.
Yeah, I think they seriously need to reconsider in the next iteration. Looking forward to 3rd party solutions. After using them out and about though, it isn’t such a big issue for me anymore.

please post here your thoughts on the XM4s if you have the time. I almost bought these on Black Friday but held off.
 

ghostface147

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How are they with glasses? I have heard that it's really tight and can annoy people with glasses.
 

ZombiePete

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How are they with glasses? I have heard that it's really tight and can annoy people with glasses.
I wear plastic frame glasses and they are perfectly comfortable. There’s really no difference between wearing them and not as far as headphones comfort goes; it does hold my glasses into place though. I have found that the plastic frames rubbing against the headphone material does make noise, though; it’s not that big of a deal but I notice it when I shift my glasses. Otherwise, having my glasses on with the headphones is not big deal at all.
 

Aaron_apl

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Had my pair for 24 hours now and quite like them. The memory foam forms a really good seal around my ears.

Has anybody found any scratch tests of these on YouTube? I’m curious to know if the outer shell clicking on each other is going to cause damage down the road.

biggest concern for me atm is the mesh on the headband. How durable is it & will it be easy to clean/discolour if it gets hair product in it.
 

cardfan

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It’s hard to take the OP seriously. Never owned a pair of over the ear headphones? He then claims how important having a set is since he listens to music for several hours a day.
 

GeoffAlex

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Nice review and good that you took the time for it! Happy that you enjoy them as its quite an expensive purchase.

Not sure how much weight can be put into saying they sound brilliant when your frame of reference is Airpods Pro which are also quite average sounding in the world of earbuds, not to mention another Apple product at less than half the price point. I would pray that the Max's sound better than the Pro's all things considered.
 

ZombiePete

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MauiPa

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That’s interesting, intellectually, but largely meaningless to someone like me coming exclusively from AirPods over the past few years. They sound great to me.
True, I read that article, I would prefer a professional review than someone with a copped attitude. Maybe it is just his style, but he sounds like kid wanting to be a big boy someday. Of course he could be totally correct and just a poor writer
 
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GreenLightLuke

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It’s hard to take the OP seriously. Never owned a pair of over the ear headphones? He then claims how important having a set is since he listens to music for several hours a day.
Priorities change though right?
My situation has changed where I’ve gone from not listening to music for several hours a day to the complete opposite, which is now why it is important.
 

GreenLightLuke

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Nice review and good that you took the time for it! Happy that you enjoy them as its quite an expensive purchase.

Not sure how much weight can be put into saying they sound brilliant when your frame of reference is Airpods Pro which are also quite average sounding in the world of earbuds, not to mention another Apple product at less than half the price point. I would pray that the Max's sound better than the Pro's all things consider

valid points. I’ve now got a pair of Sony XM4 to compare with so broaden my horizons.
 
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