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unphased

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As far as I know, no Find My compatible third party trackers support UWB position finding. So, this is a key differentiating factor for the Airtag.

I am shopping for a card shaped wallet finder. Currently, for tracking my wallet, I found an old 5 year old Tile recently that I hadn't activated. I use a slim wallet, so it has thin flat aluminum sides, and I used some 3M adhesive to mount the Tile onto it, which is possible with the Tile but not with an AirTag since the AirTag is too round to make that feasible. Plus i think the tile is actually even a little thinner than the AirTag, it looks like 6mm to me.

This works really well actually, and also lets me find my phone in a pinch by clicking it, which funny enough the airtag wouldn't let me do, but I don't care about that, I care a lot more about the UWB direction finding.

Clearly the best path forward is to do surgery on an airtag and shrink it down into a 3 to 4mm thick 3d printed card shape, there are many designs available for free to print on your own or for purchase on Etsy and other places.

My question: does anybody know of a design for this that can incorporate 2 or maybe even 3 or 4 CR2032's? Or even CR2025's if we're pressed for space. We *clearly* have the physical space for supporting this with a card form factor.

Anybody interested in hacking on this with me? Clearly the way is to wire the batteries in parallel. It allows to make it work with any number of batteries. My idea right off the bat is to lay out a bank of batteries where they are in contact with one another on the positive terminal, so only one wire is needed for +. We should be able to have an airtag with UWB findability prowess that lasts 4 years, with replaceable batteries, this is kind of the holy grail of bluetooth trackers.

I expect Apple to release an AirTag 2 in card form factor so there is a chance this could become obsolete soon but I think being able to support 3 or more CR2032's would catapult it into relevance regardless of Apple's eventual AirTags 2 design wins.
 
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erihp

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edit: misread. you want uwb precision finding. hope you find success! shouldnt be too hard....

there are cards with thin li-ion packs and magsafe recharging. no need to bother with multiple cr2032.

no reason you couldnt do the same!

re: tile finding your phone with button press. I too am shocked airtag doesnt do this. As an pre-airtag tile user too, that feature was really helpful and seemed like a blunder on Apple's part.
 
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unphased

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Good call. Since those cells are kind of a PITA and also can kill toddlers if they swallow them.

I just ordered a Reyke card on Amazon, this is non UWB but Find My compatible and charges on Qi/magsafe, I'll like to see how they work but I am still interested in an airtag hack because it looks to be a really fun project that is small in scope.

Time to look around for li-ion and research if airtags will fry on 3.7~4.0v. I wonder if lithium iron comes in uber thin packs as a 3.6 ~ 3.2 volt range is more palatable here, although I must say that needing a BMS to prevent overdischarge would be a damper on things.

I think a suitable diode could allow me to control low voltage cutoff.
 

erihp

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Good call. Since those cells are kind of a PITA and also can kill toddlers if they swallow them.

I just ordered a Reyke card on Amazon, this is non UWB but Find My compatible and charges on Qi/magsafe, I'll like to see how they work but I am still interested in an airtag hack because it looks to be a really fun project that is small in scope.

Time to look around for li-ion and research if airtags will fry on 3.7~4.0v. I wonder if lithium iron comes in uber thin packs as a 3.6 ~ 3.2 volt range is more palatable here, although I must say that needing a BMS to prevent overdischarge would be a damper on things.

I think a suitable diode could allow me to control low voltage cutoff.
i meeeeaannn... i think my pebblebee would crack open easily... get a hackable card with features you like... swap boards.. add a resistor.. am i missing something?


more fragile and probably wont go back together well, but for $10...


a more interesting option! this one claims replaceable cr2032 in card form factor... might aid in the hacking...

 
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unphased

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Safety is a huge concern with a wallet tracker though. It's entirely reasonable even during prototype testing for a thin prismatic lithium cell to be punctured or folded. It must remain safe, so LFP chemistry is a minimum, so I need to find out if 3mm or thinner LFP polymer cells exist.
 
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unphased

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The whole point of going to the lengths to custom design something is to retain the UWB directional finding feature.

Absent that the other solutions to make it ring are fine. And good enough. So it's mostly an academic exercise in whether it's possible to create something really thin with this special airtag feature and have multiple years of battery life.

I'm leaning back toward some CR2032 or CR2025 cleverness because lipo sounds like an insane risk in a wallet.

Thanks for the link. A $10 charging card shaped under 2mm thick tracker. Couldn't possibly have great battery life but I ordered one of these too, why the hell not.
 

erihp

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Safety is a huge concern with a wallet tracker though. It's entirely reasonable even during prototype testing for a thin prismatic lithium cell to be punctured or folded. It must remain safe, so LFP chemistry is a minimum, so I need to find out if 3mm or thinner LFP polymer cells exist.
same is true for the retail ones. again, you buy one. open it, take out old board, swapin airtag uwb board... i thought we were past this.

its really up to how you treat your wallet. do people still sit on them? :)
 

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The whole point of going to the lengths to custom design something is to retain the UWB directional finding feature.

Absent that the other solutions to make it ring are fine. And good enough. So it's mostly an academic exercise in whether it's possible to create something really thin with this special airtag feature and have multiple years of battery life.

I'm leaning back toward some CR2032 or CR2025 cleverness because lipo sounds like an insane risk in a wallet.

Thanks for the link. A $10 charging card shaped under 2mm thick tracker. Couldn't possibly have great battery life but I ordered one of these too, why the hell not.
yeah i got ya... check the second link after my edit. seems like a great starting point.

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unphased

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Cool cool. I was able to find the same review. 3 batteries in that one... Now that's certainly interesting. Funny that he complains about several aspects and fails to include photos to demonstrate any of them.

I guess the main thing is i know that the airtag board with speaker is like 3mm or so so it's probably not possible to fit it inside most of these existing solutions. Something makes me doubt they will include rechargeable lipo packs at this price level and I know rechargeable 2032 style cells exist (MR2032?).
 

erihp

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Cool cool. I was able to find the same review. 3 batteries in that one... Now that's certainly interesting. Funny that he complains about several aspects and fails to include photos to demonstrate any of them.

I guess the main thing is i know that the airtag board with speaker is like 3mm or so so it's probably not possible to fit it inside most of these existing solutions. Something makes me doubt they will include rechargeable lipo packs at this price level and I know rechargeable 2032 style cells exist (MR2032?).
i noticed that but this amazon item is one if these multi item listings where all the reviews get put together. you have to filter on people who specifically bought this item, which sometimes you cant do. i was able to with this item and there were only two reviews.

and nah these are definitely regular cr2032. axe the speaker (isnt uwb the point of this mod anyway?) and any vertical clearance the battery stuff takes up...

...or just 3d print a new back panel to accommodate, since it already fits together with screws this should be trivial
 

erihp

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Bad news

the cheapie triple battery findmy card has its batteries spot welded in place terminating on the board itself. not so easy to swap, and certainly not easy to replace.

inside is 3 x cr2016s
 

unphased

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Thank you for reporting your findings!

I will dig up the details later but i think i've ordered two of these card Find My cards, both are some form of Qi rechargable, one had a little notice in the packaging saying not to use it with magsafe charging, which is weird since i thought that was compatible, but anyway theyre both only 2mm thick and seem to work well so far.

Realistically speaking, trying to make a 3 or 4mm card with airtag guts isn't a project I can justify at the moment 😕
 
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