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dont24

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Any benefit to ordering at Apple.com vs a local Apple store? Looking to get a stock 2.66 and the BT / wireless option. I plan on adding an additional gig of memory from OWC.
thanks.
 

orangezorki

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I think the OP is thinking of Dell's rediculous system where each product has 'revisions' where they update a product as the go to fix flaws. With Apple, I'm not 100% sure that they don't do that, but most flaws are either never fixed, or fixed for all with OS and firmware updates.

David
 

Eidorian

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I think the OP is thinking of Dell's rediculous system where each product has 'revisions' where they update a product as the go to fix flaws. With Apple, I'm not 100% sure that they don't do that, but most flaws are either never fixed, or fixed for all with OS and firmware updates.

David
It should still be shipped with the same OS. You'll more then likely see minor weekly tweaks on the hardware due to new shipments coming in.
 

akadmon

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It should still be shipped with the same OS. You'll more then likely see minor weekly tweaks on the hardware due to new shipments coming in.

I bought mine a week and a half ago and it came with 10.4.6, not with 10.4.8 as I would expect a machine fresh off the asssembly line to come loaded with. It's like it's been sitting there in the back of the store for 3 months, or, worse yet, Apple slipped me somebody's return (the weather widget was set to Atlanta, hm...). Still, it's absolutly flawless so far, so why the hell am I worried!
 

Eidorian

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I bought mine a week and a half ago and it came with 10.4.6, not with 10.4.8 as I would expect a machine fresh off the asssembly line to come loaded with. It's like it's been sitting there in the back of the store for 3 months, or, worse yet, Apple slipped me somebody's return (the weather widget was set to Atlanta, hm...). Still, it's absolutly flawless so far, so why the hell am I worried!
http://www.chipmunk.nl/klantenservice/applemodel.html

Check there for a production week. Apple only updates the OS X discs when it's a major update 10.x (then it's a drop-in) or a new hardware revision. My iMac Core Duo came with 10.4.4 in the middle of JUNE!
 

kered22

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It's certainly possible there could have been silent revisions to the MacPro. The MacBook Pro had about... 5 or 6 silent revisions before the Core 2 upgrade.
 

Eidorian

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It's certainly possible there could have been silent revisions to the MacPro. The MacBook Pro had about... 5 or 6 silent revisions before the Core 2 upgrade.
I'm unsure about simple speed bumps. More then likely there aren't new OS X with clock speed boosts.
 

kered22

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Well not speed bumps. This is alternations to the motherboard, EFI, controller chips for USB, Firewire etc. For instance, one of the complaints with the MacBook Pro was a whining sound with the early ones (though it was hit and miss). It took Apple all of those 5 or 6 silent revisions, but they finally fixed it.
 

Eidorian

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Well not speed bumps. This is alternations to the motherboard, EFI, controller chips for USB, Firewire etc. For instance, one of the complaints with the MacBook Pro was a whining sound with the early ones (though it was hit and miss). It took Apple all of those 5 or 6 silent revisions, but they finally fixed it.
I do remember Apple shipping out new OS X discs with MacBook Pros that had received motherboard replacements. The owners were told that their older OS X installation DVD's wouldn't work properly with the new motherboards.
 

akadmon

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http://www.chipmunk.nl/klantenservice/applemodel.html

Check there for a production week. Apple only updates the OS X discs when it's a major update 10.x (then it's a drop-in) or a new hardware revision. My iMac Core Duo came with 10.4.4 in the middle of JUNE!

Well now I'm really pissed off! Mine is week 33 (August). Any idea how a machine manufactured in August could somehow survive unsold until late November? :confused:
 

dont24

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So there could have been some silent updates to the Mac Pros? Just trying to figure out if I should buy locally in NH and save on tax or order one online. Don't want to get a return or maybe an old one that was sitting in the back of the stockroom.
 

akadmon

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So there could have been some silent updates to the Mac Pros? Just trying to figure out if I should buy locally in NH and save on tax or order one online. Don't want to get a return or maybe an old one that was sitting in the back of the stockroom.

I got mine at the Rockingham store, so be warned :)

Learn from my sad story -- ask the manager to check the boxes and give you the one that's newest. When it's brought out to you, go to the handy dandy website shown higher up in this thread to confirm the production week. The serial number is on the box itself.
 

Eidorian

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Learn from my sad story -- ask the manager to check the boxes and give you the one that's newest. When it's brought out to you, go to the handy dandy website shown higher up in this thread to confirm the production week. The serial number is on the box itself.
I agree with this advice. It is the best way to find out which Mac Pro box is the newest.

Show some of your smarts off in the Apple Store. :D
 

dont24

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I got mine at the Rockingham store, so be warned :)

Learn from my sad story -- ask the manager to check the boxes and give you the one that's newest. When it's brought out to you, go to the handy dandy website shown higher up in this thread to confirm the production week. The serial number is on the box itself.

Great :) I'll be sure to have that url handy if I decide to purchase at the Rockingham store.
 

akadmon

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I agree with this advice. It is the best way to find out which Mac Pro box is the newest.

Show some of your smarts off in the Apple Store. :D

So here's the deal. I called the store and was told that to do a no charge exchange I would need to show that the machine is defective. Right now I don't have any issues with the machine, other than I cannot get Photoshop Elements to run on my main account (the one in use when I was installing it), although it will run fine on my other accounts. I repaired permissions and reinstalled PE, but still the same thing's happening -- it crashes as soon as the menu appears. Do you think this could be hardware related? Will it be enough to get me a new machine free of charge? I'm asking, because if my chances are low, it's too much of a hassle to bring this baby back to the store. It's otherwise absolutely perfect and I've since returned the PE software to the store (a real bad dog, IMO) and I'm not going to use it.
 

dont24

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This is what I'm afraid of. What do the local Apple stores do with returns?
Do they fix them locally and resell as new? I'm assuming online purchases are returned and Apple sells them in the refurbed section?
I may just end up ordering online. I have a $1500 gift to put towards the purchase. Out of pocket expense for me won't be bad at all, even with the added taxes tax.
 

Eidorian

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I cannot get Photoshop Elements to run on my main account (the one in use when I was installing it), although it will run fine on my other accounts. I repaired permissions and reinstalled PE, but still the same thing's happening -- it crashes as soon as the menu appears. Do you think this could be hardware related?
That is NOT a hardware issue. Make a new user account and move your files over to it.

This is what I'm afraid of. What do the local Apple stores do with returns?
Do they fix them locally and resell as new? I'm assuming online purchases are returned and Apple sells them in the refurbed section?
They'll end up at local fire sale at the end of the month or shipped back to Apple for refurb if it's defective.
 

bearbo

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The Apple Store sells overstocked, old, or returned products at lower prices. They'll usually just put up a folding table in back with items on it.

when does that usually happen? are there usually.. computers on sale?
 

Eidorian

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when does that usually happen? are there usually.. computers on sale?
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They'll end up at local fire sale at the end of the month or shipped back to Apple for refurb if it's defective.
 
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