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LizardCobra

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Mar 5, 2020
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How can I keep the menu bar hidden on my second display if an application on that monitor is in full screen? I have already set it to "Displays have separate spaces."

If I have an application on the other display in fullscreen, whenever I click into any application on the other display, the menu bar appears on the fullscreen display.

Also, the behavior of the dock is completely inconsistent, buggy, and random. Sometimes when I move the mouse to the bottom of the screen, the dock pops up on that display. Sometimes it won't move to the other display no matter what I do.
 

DeltaMac

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Jul 30, 2003
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Could you simply hide the menu bar? (System preferences/General pane)
If you do that, the menubar would always be hidden from view, and only appear when you mouse across the top of the screen.
 

LizardCobra

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Mar 5, 2020
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It should work the exact same way that it does when the second display is not connected. That is, it should be visible on a display if nothing is in fullscreen mode, and then hide always be hidden if, and only if, an application is in full screen mode on that display. One display should not affect the other display.
 

DeltaMac

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eh... I don't think that is exactly how multiple displays work, particularly when you are choosing to use one display in full screen.
But, maybe your "display set" might work better with a position adjustment: System Preferences/Displays/Arrangement tab.
Move your secondary to a different position compared to the main display.
For example: move secondary directly underneath the main - or on left side rather than right.
(I try to avoid thinking that I have two displays. I have one extended display. Helps me figure out how to move things around, and why certain things happen.

I typically have my dock on the right side, not the bottom, and have my secondary screen at the bottom left corner of the main screen.
but, I may work differently than you, as I only use full screen on the secondary.
My dock never moves to the secondary screen.
Finally, I don't have two local displays, as my second "display", part of the extended screen, is a projector 20 feet over my head. THAT screen is 60 feet in front of me. The two screens are corner-to-corner on the Displays prefs, so I don't inadvertently lose the mouse cursor on the projector screen in the middle of a public presentation.
 

LizardCobra

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Mar 5, 2020
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The position of the second monitor is currently in the only place where it would make sense. Since it's physically to the left of my macbook, the display is arranged to be placed to the left. That way when I move the cursor off the left side of my macbook's screen, it moves onto the monitors screen. I prefer the dock at the bottom, since I don't always have the monitor connected.

Is it impossible then for the two monitors to be managed and behave independently? I can't even imagine a scenario where it would be desirable to have one randomly affect the other. If I have a movie in full screen on my monitor, I'd like to be able to have that stay full screen while doing work on the laptops display (or vise versa).
 

DeltaMac

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Yes, but...
Ultimately, the two screens are shared - both screens showing a part of the total, extended desktop. You can choose to run one or both screens as full screen. In my own usage, it depends on what you are doing. Sometimes the full-screen function on one screen, limits what you can do on the other screen to some extent. An example that I run into quite often: I start a youtube video (through Safari), showing on projector. When I expand that video window to full screen for the projector, the main monitor goes black, except for Safari's menu bar, which remains in view. When I am done with that video, hit escape, and the two screens return to my normal setup.
I also use some specialist presentation software which takes over both displays. The projector image is automatically in full screen mode. The local monitor is the controller for the presentation. I have to be cautious about doing anything else, as I can easily drop out of the presentation app, and lose the presentation while it is in progress, so that app takes over both displays while it is in use - although I can do certain limited tasks on the local display.
So, in my experience, the two displays do not often operate independently, but that's because of my use, and the apps that I choose to run.
Your results ultimately depend on the apps that you use, and how it is all set up.

One final thought: If you have your main monitor (your laptop screen, probably) on the right, and you have your dock on the right. It will be on the main monitor even if you plug in your external display. Probably the Dock will always be on the right edge, even with an extended desktop. If you have the Dock on the left side of your main display, THEN plug in your second display (set up to be on the left side of your pair), then the Dock should disappear from the main display, to show on the left edge of the extended desktop, so the left edge of your external display. That's simple! Dock at the bottom MIGHT move from screen to screen when you start using full screen mode on one or the other display. I can guess that the Dock could move around, depending on what you are doing. You might experiment with that, mostly so you can predict what the Dock will do.
The top menu bar, should exist on the display that is designated in the Displays/Arrangement tab. You can drag the menu bar from one screen to the other in that Arrangement pane. That's how you can decide with of the two displays will be used as the main display by your system. (note: I THINK that Catalina now has changed how some of that works, so if you are using Catalina there might be other differences. I am not there yet with my two-display setup, so not sure about that...)
 

Carrotcruncher

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Oct 13, 2019
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I just bought my first MacBook and I am getting rid, it’s awful, I have exactly the same issue and there is no solution, if you use the pathetic separate spaces solution the entire desktop disappears on the main laptop display! It’s this kind of 1990s software that is making Apple loose the fight against windows, if I had known how bad macOS was and how badly dual
Display was implemented I would never have got this garbage
 

iMig

macrumors newbie
Mar 21, 2016
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I just bought my first MacBook and I am getting rid, it’s awful, I have exactly the same issue and there is no solution, if you use the pathetic separate spaces solution the entire desktop disappears on the main laptop display! It’s this kind of 1990s software that is making Apple loose the fight against windows, if I had known how bad macOS was and how badly dual
Display was implemented I would never have got this garbage
Actually it´s not because macOS is "bad". They decided to entirely change Mac OSX desktop and spaces management to "this" with Lion, when they switched from Spaces+expose to Mission Control. It was not like this under Tiger, Leopard,. Snow Leopard… Multiple monitors /spaces in Mac worked much better then and it was waaaaaay better than Windows. There was no menubar in the second monitor at all. Spaces were just fine. You could get third party apps if you wanted more complex features. Not much needed, though. But I have used Snow Leopard until not m,uch ago and how they screwed multiple monitors and spaces was one of the reasons.

So why they decided to make it more complicated and (for many) worse? New features trying to get full screen apps better. Paradoxically, as a nod to Windows switchers…:(

I haven´t tried it but maybe TotalFinder could help you recreate a better desktop/spaces solution.

Regards
 

carylee2002

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Jul 27, 2008
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At first when I upgraded from High Sierra and noticed the bars on my other monitors it was a annoyance, but since I dropped my actual monitor luminous/brightness settings on my monitors to 250cd/m2 on all of them and went to dark mode I rarely even notice they are there. And that is using to default Mojave screen.
 
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