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nickdalzell1

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I've noticed the sleep tracking is quite bugged out on my Galaxy Watch 3 (compared with my 2018 Galaxy Watch). It's been giving me extremely low sleep scores (~45-52) and saying my deep sleep is lower than 30 minutes or sometimes 45 minutes. Sometimes, it gives me two sleep records (a long-going bug that's been a thing since the Gear S2--if you wake up to pee, it counts as awake, still not fixed). I've had to delete the records in the Health app and manually correct them, as it constantly pings me saying I'm not sleeping enough when in reality I am.

I have tried setting the heart rate to continuous, but it just made the problem worse. So I went out and bought an Amazfit GTS as a 'second opinion' to see if the records would be any different, and in fact, they were! In fact, I'm getting 74 sleep scores, and it showed my deep sleep as 1 hour 45 minutes and REM as 2 hours, light sleep as 7 hours (total sleep time 10 hours). While the Galaxy Watch 3 showed 45 minutes deep sleep, 30 minutes REM, and light sleep of 1 hour 25 minutes, 2 hours plus awake, and pinged me 'Your deep sleep is low!'.

Obviously there's something wrong with the Galaxy Watch 3 since I feel great, I don't feel tired, and sometimes if I do sleep horribly (like 3 hours!) it gives me an 'excellent' score in the 80s! I can't find any way to recalibrate the sleep tracking, and I've updated Health to no avail, and there's no updates to any watch app. I love the Watch 3 as it's faster than the first Watch but sleep tracking is dead. I don't think it's ever registered more than 45 minutes of deep sleep--that's the highest it's given me. It usually shows either a zero or 30 minutes. Sometimes, it matches or goes above and beyond the 'benchmarks' (hash marks where I should be in any stage) but scores me low for no real reason. The inaccurate 'awake' time often is when I remember dreaming or if I wake up to go to work, where it isn't coming out of sleep tracking mode, thus throwing off the total number.

I can't think of anything to explain the vast discrepency of the two records from the two watches. The Amazfit seems to do far better than the Watch 3.
 

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Have you had any experiences with Fitbit's sleep tracking? Sleep tracking is what drives my choice in smartwatches. Fitbit has been somewhere between OK and pretty good, but I'm always curious of other options.

The Apple Watch's battery life makes it a terrible sleep tracking option.
 

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My short experience with a Fitbit Ionic made me return it a few days after purchase. I don't know if Fitbit integrated better with iOS vs. Android but my experience with Android left a lot to be desired. I think it did sleep tracking but refused outright to break it down as advertised (instead of showing stages such as REM/Light/etc it just gave a generic hours slept and efficiency number) also, it had major issues remaining connected to the phone via Bluetooth, and many key features I wanted were locked behind a subscription paywall.

In addition, while I wasn't into the whole Pebble scene, I still can't forgive Fitbit for destroying its legacy.

All that said, from the fitbit community forums, the same issue with my Watch 3 is present on all current fitbits--a sleep score pulled from who knows where, and not based at all on actual reality of sleep quality. Many folks get a 'poor' score from excellent sleep, while getting 'excellent' scoring on a sleepless night of like 4 hours maximum. Many couldn't understand how it is factored, and a ton of complaints about losing a feature, average weekly hours slept, for the sleep score. Also, details on the score remain behind a subscription paywall.

The Amazfit isn't really a smartwatch, but it's an excellent fitness tracker, so I wear it on my other wrist. I do like the familiar UI that takes inspiration from Apple Watch, and the improved battery life, and it does things like weather, is more accurate in heart rate, steps and calories as well (my Galaxy Watch 3 has doubled stats for the same time frame.) and it can control music, receive messages and calls, has customizable vibration alerts (one of my main issues with Galaxy Watch is that it only has one sound for any notification, so when I expect the 'ding' sound to be a text, it's just an email or health alert--Apple watch had different sounds for any notification--something Galaxy Watch lacks, so the custom vibration alerts make it easier to distinguish alert types) and an OLED display, even an Always-on display.

It'd be nice if it had ECG, fall detection, SP O2 and some other fitness things like auto workout detection, but we're talking $99 here. It's a 2019 watch.

I wanted to try the Garmin watches, but they're hideously expensive and all the demos are dead, so I can't even see what they do, or what the UI looks like.

My Apple Watch 5 didn't really have terrible battery life, even with sleep tracking (which it also did extremely well on) and I could get over a day with it, even with AoD on. I always charged it each morning before work, and it charged rapidly. I think I'd wake up anywhere from 0% (a bug? watch remained on!) to 27% and it charged to 100% in less than an hour. Galaxy Watch 3 I wake up anywhere from 38% to 47%. It takes an hour and a half to charge. Amazfit GTS I never charged out of box and currently at 78% with AoD on, after a day.
 
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My short experience with a Fitbit Ionic made me return it a few days after purchase. I don't know if Fitbit integrated better with iOS vs. Android but my experience with Android left a lot to be desired. I think it did sleep tracking but refused outright to break it down as advertised (instead of showing stages such as REM/Light/etc it just gave a generic hours slept and efficiency number) also, it had major issues remaining connected to the phone via Bluetooth, and many key features I wanted were locked behind a subscription paywall.

Most of the time Fitbit's pretty on the mark with sleep tracking for me, which is remarkable because I have a circadian rhythm disorder that blows up any sleep tracking algorithms. Well, they work pretty well when they work. My Fitbits have been prone to going rogue for anywhere between a few days and a few weeks once in a while. When they're on the fritz, they refuse to sync, blow through their six day battery in 20 hours, and fail to detect hours of sleep. It's only around 5-10% that I have a bad Fitbit.

I did a free trial for the premium paywalled stats, but found the basic stats were good enough for me. $10/month to get your sleep breakdown is hilariously steep.
 

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Well I get a detailed sleep breakdown both with the GTS and Watch 3. It's just the Watch 3 has bad data. But it's free nonetheless.

Fitbits seem to have longevity issues (especially with the Charge) which is a deal-breaker for me given I buy things once and live with them for life. I'm not into mindless or constant consumerism.

That and the whole Pebble thing. There's a lot they do that I don't like. I'm currently trying to figure out what is bugged with my Galaxy Watch since I'm certain it's a sensor calibration issue, but I don't know how to recalibrate them. I don't want to factory reset since setting up the thing was a bear the first time. I'm almost certain it's like my Apple Watch--which took 6 months to 'learn' my body physiology and get exercise/fitness detection to work correctly. I've only had the Galaxy Watch 3 for a month.
 

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Fitbits seem to have longevity issues (especially with the Charge) which is a deal-breaker for me given I buy things once and live with them for life. I'm not into mindless or constant consumerism.

I think the more recent models have had a better track record. I've owned two Fitbit Blazes. I had the first one for almost 2 years before I lost it and had the second one almost 3 years before I gave it away. I've been wearing a Fitbit Sense for 9 months now.

My wife has Fitbits too and she has some of the lower end models. They would last about a year and either die or need repairs. Her latest one has lasted over 2 years now and is still just fine.
 

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Are you using iOS or Android? From my own experience Android had massive connectivity issues and lower app quality over the iOS version. I am unsure but it always felt like more development was done on iOS (including app UI design) than Android which skews the quality of one's experience greatly depending on which phone they have.

Still, going by the complaints over sleep score being near identical with my own issues with the Watch 3 I'm not expecting a Fitbit to be a cure.

I still don't understand how I can get a sleep score in the 80s, when my total sleep was just over 5 hours one night and then score in the mid-70s when my duration is over 7 hours. I realize it looks at all the information, but it just seems that 5 hours would leave me less time for the stages of sleep as compared to a 7+ hour sleep.


For myself, a decent 8 hour plus sleep with plenty of REM gives me a lousy 52 sleep score on my Galaxy Watch, while my bad night (wednesday) of 4 hours and 54 minutes that left me with a migraine and bad mood gave me a 74 sleep score on the same watch. Either Samsung got it all backwards and like Golf, a lower score is better, or it's bugged out.
 
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I'm on iOS. The connectivity has mostly been pretty good, but has suffered the occasional buggy update that causes syncs to fail. I had few problems when I owned a Blaze. The Sense (latest model) has gone through cycles of Good Fitbit and Bad Fitbit from software issues. It's been mostly Good Fitbit lately.

I've also thought about getting the Oura Ring, but I just don't like wearing rings. If they can get Apple Watch to last 2+ days, I might finally pick up one of those... but I'm with you on not liking to toss aside devices. Ideally I want something that I'll wear until it disintegrates from old age.
 

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People I talk with tend to agree fitbit works best on iOS, not so much on Android. As I said, the Ionic and the Pebble fiasco soured my view, and once a company sours my view I tend to avoid them (call me old fashioned).

The Amazfit does well and if needed, I'll just totally disable sleep tracking on the Watch 3 and use the other for sleep tracking. Fitness data does feel more accurate. My Galaxy Watch seems to have doubled stats, like 1100 more steps, 20 BPM off, and 200 more calories burned than what the Amazfit shows. Works fine in other aspects like apps and such, great watch faces and app support is more than I'd ever need. Just missed a lot of marks on fitness.

I also got a Vi personal trainer headset to compare workout data, and it seems to show the same results as the Amazfit watch.
 
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