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hajime

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Hi, I ordered a MacBook Pro online and it is defective. So I returned it to the store for a refund. I paid for the machine using 2 gift cards and credit card. The girl said it would take 4-5 days to get back the money I spent on the credit card. As for the two gift cards, I would get back the points almost instantly. I asked her to check and she scanned my cards. It was zero. I asked her if she could issue me a new gift card and she said no as I should get back the points soon. Previously, I also contact Apple via chat and the guy also said I would get back the gift card points right away when I returned the machine.

Four hours have passed but I still cannot use the gift cards to buy things. I contacted Apple CS and explained the situation. The girl said it would take a few days to get back the gift card points. I told her that today is the last day for BF Sale and I need to order today. I asked to speak to a supervisor. She told me to hold but then an answering machine asked me to enter an extension number. How do I know? I called Apple again. The second guy said that he did not 'care' what other people told me. He said that I need to wait for a few days. During the call, he did not want me to speak to a supervisor even I asked him politely. I said that I wanted to complain. He told me to go to apple website to provide feedback. I told him that I need to get this sorted out today and he hung up my phone. Call Apple the third time. Sales transferred me to the store manager of the store I visited. Waited for a long time and nobody answered. I called the store two times and finally somebody picked up the phone. I asked to speak to the manager but she refused. Instead, she asked what happened. Then, she told me that if I want to order today, I pay by credit card. I told her that I would prefer to spend that $1K+ gift card credits. She said that there is nothing she can do. Then, I called Apple again and asked to speak to the supervisor. Again, the person asked me the story. She told me that she would transfer me to Sale. Waited for over 15 minutes and she came back saying that it would take 12-48 hours for a supervisor to call me back. This is strange. I wonder if any supervisor would call me. I asked her name politely a few times but she refused to tell me. I told her that all the agents I talked to gave me their name and she refused to do it, I would still be able to find out. She then told me a name. Then I asked her which department she belongs to. She said Sale. Then, she said that I should get a call by Thursday. She suggested me to use my credit card to buy again if I want to take advantage of the BF Sale.

Apple only wants us to spend more and more money. They made it very easy to make the purchase but made it very hard to get back the gift card points. Previously, I traded in my old MacBook Pro. They also gave me a gift card rather than cash.
 
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hajime

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Jul 23, 2007
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I don't see bad customer service. I see someone who refuses be patient and allow the automated system to reflect the refunded points in a matter of days. If you have to make a purchase today, use your credit card. I realize that that is not the ideal option but, that is what you have to work with at this point in time.

Hanging up the phone is not bad customer service? I guess because there are people who are as tolerate as you, they continue to behave badly.

The chat agent and the girl in the store told me that I would get the credits today. They misled me and Apple should so something rather than asking me to buy using credit card again. Quite frankly, I don't want to continue to invest on Apple. I just want to spend the 2K+ gift credits.
 

Apple_Robert

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Sep 21, 2012
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Hanging up the phone is not bad customer service? I guess because there are people who are as tolerate as you, they continue to behave badly.

The chat agent and the girl in the store told me that I would get the credits today. They misled me and Apple should so something rather than asking me to buy using credit card again. Quite frankly, I don't want to continue to invest on Apple. I just want to spend the 2K+ gift credits.
It is a very busy day in retail. You were told more than once it would take a few days. If you aren't willing to use your credit card to make the purchases, then you have to wait.

I don't think you were mislead. I think someone unintentionally gave you the wrong information. Mistakes happen. This scenario is far from an emergency.
 

TiggrToo

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Aug 24, 2017
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Hi, I ordered a MacBook Pro online and it is defective. So I returned it to the store for a refund. I paid for the machine using 2 gift cards and credit card. The girl said it would take 4-5 days to get back the money I spent on the credit card. As for the two gift cards, I would get back the points almost instantly. I asked her to check and she scanned my cards. It was zero. I asked her if she could issue me a new gift card and she said no as I should get back the points soon. Previously, I also contact Apple via chat and the guy also said I would get back the gift card points right away when I returned the machine.

Four hours have passed but I still cannot use the gift cards to buy things. I contacted Apple CS and explained the situation. The girl said it would take a few days to get back the gift card points. I told her that today is the last day for BF Sale and I need to order today. I asked to speak to a supervisor. She told me to hold but then an answering machine asked me to enter an extension number. How do I know? I called Apple again. The second guy said that he did not 'care' what other people told me. He said that I need to wait for a few days. During the call, he did not want me to speak to a supervisor even I asked him politely. I said that I wanted to complain. He told me to go to apple website to provide feedback. I told him that I need to get this sorted out today and he hung up my phone. Call Apple the third time. Sales transferred me to the store manager of the store I visited. Waited for a long time and nobody answered. I called the store two times and finally somebody picked up the phone. I asked to speak to the manager but she refused. Instead, she asked what happened. Then, she told me that if I want to order today, I pay by credit card. I told her that I would prefer to spend that $1K+ gift card credits. She said that there is nothing she can do. Then, I called Apple again and asked to speak to the supervisor. Again, the person asked me the story. She told me that she would transfer me to Sale. Waited for over 15 minutes and she came back saying that it would take 12-48 hours for a supervisor to call me back. This is strange. I wonder if any supervisor would call me. I asked her name politely a few times but she refused to tell me. I told her that all the agents I talked to gave me their name and she refused to do it, I would still be able to find out. She then told me a name. Then I asked her which department she belongs to. She said Sale. Then, she said that I should get a call by Thursday. She suggested me to use my credit card to buy again if I want to take advantage of the BF Sale.

Apple only wants us to spend more and more money. They made it very easy to make the purchase but made it very hard to get back the gift card points. Previously, I traded in my old MacBook Pro. They also gave me a gift card rather than cash.
First impressions do not always tell the full tale.

I had an issue months ago with a gift card issue which didn't seem to be getting resolved.

I was told by a senior rep to give it until the end of a particular day and sure enough, the refund was processed exactly as the rep said it would.

Refunds can take time. It's annoying for sure, but this is always a risk with any sort of gift card.
 

macsareveryinteresting

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Dec 7, 2020
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I don't see bad customer service. I see someone who refuses be patient and allow the automated system to reflect the refunded points in a matter of days. If you have to make a purchase today, use your credit card. I realize that that is not the ideal option but, that is what you have to work with at this point in time.
Yeah, I don’t see much of the bad service either.
 

Realityck

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Nov 9, 2015
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Hi, I ordered a MacBook Pro online and it is defective. So I returned it to the store for a refund. I paid for the machine using 2 gift cards and credit card. The girl said it would take 4-5 days to get back the money I spent on the credit card. As for the two gift cards, I would get back the points almost instantly. I asked her to check and she scanned my cards. It was zero. I asked her if she could issue me a new gift card and she said no as I should get back the points soon. Previously, I also contact Apple via chat and the guy also said I would get back the gift card points right away when I returned the machine.

Four hours have passed but I still cannot use the gift cards to buy things. I contacted Apple CS and explained the situation. The girl said it would take a few days to get back the gift card points. I told her that today is the last day for BF Sale and I need to order today.
Irregardless of the time involved to get gift card values, they would still be used when reset to discount your 2nd purchase from your credit bill. The mistake was made by some staff statements that Apple's process would be immediate instead of somewhat delayed. I would have just put the second purchase on credit, and check back the following day you had the gift cards processed. They will eventually apply them to the second purchase as you require, just as Apple_Robert posted they were likely extremely busy.

Have you ever monitored your credit card purchases from Apple, that takes a couple days at least for them to adjust for local sales tax, its not at all immediate transaction. Hope you get what you want in good condition and everything works out. :)
 

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Jul 12, 2016
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Hanging up the phone is not bad customer service? I guess because there are people who are as tolerate as you, they continue to behave badly.

The chat agent and the girl in the store told me that I would get the credits today. They misled me and Apple should so something rather than asking me to buy using credit card again. Quite frankly, I don't want to continue to invest on Apple. I just want to spend the 2K+ gift credits.
To be perfectly blunt, as much as Apple probably appreciates your business, [because their products are expensive], You’re probably the one customer they don’t want to deal with, maybe it’s better if you do find another manufacture, which maybe they would even agree with. Because a situation that doesn’t happen on your timeline, therefore; you don’t want to ‘invest on Apple’. If you even have the slightest inclination that another tech manufacturer can even match Apple‘s customer service history of being reputable, then you’re woefully mistaken thinking you’re going to get ‘better’ service anywhere else.

Also, you said Apple ‘hung up the phone on you’. I’d highly question your behavior on the other end of that call that would’ve put Apple in that situation where you probably weren’t allowing staff to even get a word in, given that you called multiple times. And I’m not saying you’re being dishonest, but it also doesn’t seem likely with Apples candor that they would hang up the phone. They probably told you that they wanted to disconnect the call, because there was nothing further they could assist you with.

FYI, Apple does have a direct contact for a gift card customer department, where they probably would be a better contact point in the future.
 

hajime

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Has it ever occurred to you that the various (and numerous) difficulties you seem to experience with Apple service, AppleCare, etc., may suggest that you need to reassess your own expectations?

I have high expectations from them. Apple used to be very good in Apple II era when the majority of the public did not even own a personal computer. Now, it became like a Walmart with so many customers. They cannot handle the load. While I was waiting for the return to be processed, the girl served another customer at the same time and this customer had no idea how to use her phone. Another customer got into a big argument with another staff and kept yelling at the store.
 
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hajime

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Irregardless of the time involved to get gift card values, they would still be used when reset to discount your 2nd purchase from your credit bill. The mistake was made by some staff statements that Apple's process would be immediate instead of somewhat delayed. I would have just put the second purchase on credit, and check back the following day you had the gift cards processed. They will eventually apply them to the second purchase as you require, just as Apple_Robert posted they were likely extremely busy.

Have you ever monitored your credit card purchases from Apple, that takes a couple days at least for them to adjust for local sales tax, its not at all immediate transaction. Hope you get what you want in good condition and everything works out. :)

Thanks. One person at Apple said that these days there are many returns. It takes time for them to process.
Yes, for credit cards, usually it takes a few days to get the money back.
 

Scipster

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Aug 13, 2020
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Lol why are so many folks defending Apple on this? Don’t get me wrong, Apple has some of the best support on the market, but in this case it’s terrible customer service, plain and simple. It’s not the customer’s fault that Apple doesn’t have their stuff together. At the very least, Apple should offer a rain check while they get their systems sorted out. The victim blaming needs to stop.
 

cardfan

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Mar 23, 2012
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Not sure what the rush is anyways. Buying another Mac? The Black Friday sale (at apple) is garbage for those. I would never anticipate getting credit back immediately to use or even same day.
 
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xxray

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Jul 27, 2013
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I had a similar negative experience recently. I have a balance on my Apple ID, most of which I received from trading in my iPhone XS Max and getting a gift card. I just wanted to go to an Apple Store and use my Apple ID balance to buy an iPhone case. I thought Apple might be weird about this, so I both texted and called two separate Apple reps and both assured me I could use my Apple ID balance in store.

Well, when I get there, the Apple Store guy looked very confused when I brought up using my Apple ID balance to pay. He had to keep going to one of his coworkers to try to find a solution for me. One of the solutions was to buy an apple gift card with my Apple ID balance, wait for it to be emailed to me, and then use that to buy it in store.

I tried seeing if I could just order it from my phone and do scheduled in-store pickup but they give it to me now, but they said this couldn’t work unless I waited 1-2 hours for my window because it has to go through some process through their website.

There’s this self-checkout feature in the Apple Store app, but when I tried to use my Apple ID balance as my payment method, it kept requesting my Apple Card security code instead of letting me use my Apple ID balance.

So I ended up leaving, wasting 45 minutes of my time, had to wait 5 days to get the case that I had in my hand, ready to checkout, at the Apple Store, with Apple gift card money.

It’s just stupid. Yes I realize this is a first world problem, but who thought to create an “everything Apple” gift card that’s supposed to be able to be used both for hardware, software, and services, yet if I try to buy any software or services with it (by putting it on my Apple ID balance), I no longer am able to just go to an Apple Store right this second to buy a product with it? It’s stupid. Not well-thought out.
 
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You’re not me

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Sep 23, 2021
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This is why I hate the holiday shopping season, everyone becomes impatient and those who work in retail bear the brunt of the frustration(sometimes anger and threats) for very little pay. People are willing to trample someone to death to save $200 on a tv. Fights break out over who got to the last microwave oven that was $30 less "today only". Common decency and respect disappear to save a few dollars.

I’m not accusing the OP of this behavior but then again, we are only getting one side of the story.
 
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airbusking

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Hi, I ordered a MacBook Pro online and it is defective. So I returned it to the store for a refund. I paid for the machine using 2 gift cards and credit card. The girl said it would take 4-5 days to get back the money I spent on the credit card. As for the two gift cards, I would get back the points almost instantly. I asked her to check and she scanned my cards. It was zero. I asked her if she could issue me a new gift card and she said no as I should get back the points soon. Previously, I also contact Apple via chat and the guy also said I would get back the gift card points right away when I returned the machine.

Four hours have passed but I still cannot use the gift cards to buy things. I contacted Apple CS and explained the situation. The girl said it would take a few days to get back the gift card points. I told her that today is the last day for BF Sale and I need to order today. I asked to speak to a supervisor. She told me to hold but then an answering machine asked me to enter an extension number. How do I know? I called Apple again. The second guy said that he did not 'care' what other people told me. He said that I need to wait for a few days. During the call, he did not want me to speak to a supervisor even I asked him politely. I said that I wanted to complain. He told me to go to apple website to provide feedback. I told him that I need to get this sorted out today and he hung up my phone. Call Apple the third time. Sales transferred me to the store manager of the store I visited. Waited for a long time and nobody answered. I called the store two times and finally somebody picked up the phone. I asked to speak to the manager but she refused. Instead, she asked what happened. Then, she told me that if I want to order today, I pay by credit card. I told her that I would prefer to spend that $1K+ gift card credits. She said that there is nothing she can do. Then, I called Apple again and asked to speak to the supervisor. Again, the person asked me the story. She told me that she would transfer me to Sale. Waited for over 15 minutes and she came back saying that it would take 12-48 hours for a supervisor to call me back. This is strange. I wonder if any supervisor would call me. I asked her name politely a few times but she refused to tell me. I told her that all the agents I talked to gave me their name and she refused to do it, I would still be able to find out. She then told me a name. Then I asked her which department she belongs to. She said Sale. Then, she said that I should get a call by Thursday. She suggested me to use my credit card to buy again if I want to take advantage of the BF Sale.

Apple only wants us to spend more and more money. They made it very easy to make the purchase but made it very hard to get back the gift card points. Previously, I traded in my old MacBook Pro. They also gave me a gift card rather than cash.
I get it. You pay a premium price and CS is not very helpful. Don't expect to much support on this Apple fan boi web site.
 

UnusedLoginID

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There’s this self-checkout feature in the Apple Store app, but when I tried to use my Apple ID balance as my payment method, it kept requesting my Apple Card security code instead of letting me use my Apple ID balance.
I found out recently to my dismay that if your Apple ID balance is less than the total amount of your purchase on the Apple Store app, then the FULL amount will be charged to your credit card on file. You can NOT use the balance to pay a partial amount and the rest with the credit card. You can do this in store but not with the Apple Store app. That’s a huge inconvenience and a bug that I hope Apple will fix soon
 
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Sheepish-Lord

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Oct 13, 2021
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Learned a long time ago that with automated systems such as this there isn't much you can do, if anything, until the system is finished processing. Does no good to speak to a manager or supervisor since they have zero ability to remedy these types of issues.

I remember one time I ordered something from a store and was told I would get an email when it was ready for pickup. Well I showed up a little early even though I didn't get an email and the sales person said I couldn't pick it up even when I showed them the electronic receipt. I couldn't cancel the order either so I either had to buy another one or wait for the system to process my order/get an email and if I did buy another one I would still have had to return the one I ordered after it had processed. Made absolutely no sense to me but because the system had yet to process it I was stuck.
 
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minik

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I pre-ordered the 14" MacBook Pro (BTO) hours after the livestream and it arrived first week of this month. Since I was out of town, it was inside the box for a few days. Once I got the data migrated from the MacBook Air and played around, I noticed one spot of the display was defected and it's repeatable. I scheduled a Genius Bar appointment on a Saturday, it was 2 weeks before the Thanksgiving weekend. The Genius let me kept the 'defected' MacBook Pro while they ordered a replacement for me. The Genius asked me the delivery method and I said ship to the same home address. It turned out I had to make a trip to the store for a pick up, I didn't ask why.

I wasn't happy at first since we all knew how long the ETA for a BTO was. Luckily I received an email from the store for a pick up after one full business week. The staff even reminded me to stop by before the Thanksgiving weekend over the phone. They must have done a rush order through the store/replacement vs other channel. The staff transferred the AppleCare+ plan for me as well. I did a second unbox and noticed the battery cycle was 7 already, a bit high on a brand new Mac.

Since you said the MacBook Pro was defected, why did you want to make a full refund over repair/replacement?

Speaking of Apple customer service line, I made a call yesterday to cancel my monthly AppleCare+ plans on 4 devices. The process was pretty straightforward by giving the rep all the serial numbers and no question asked.

Gift cards can be a pain when you need assistance.
 

3SQ Machine

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Dec 8, 2019
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Also had a recent BAD experience with an Apple Balance/Gift Card fiasco. It's clearly a training problem (was given the wrong information, wrong balance charged, etc. etc.). Quite possibly, they've hired a bunch of seasonal help with minimal preparation. 'Tis the season.

I had better luck today (after my 4th call). The rep was very helpful--AND offered me a gratis $100 MacBook Pro case (which I gladly took) for the trouble after reviewing my notes.

Apple and I are good now. Unfortunately, getting service like this (eventually) requires persistence, patience, and -- unfortunately--just some dumb luck to get a helpful, well-trained rep.
 
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msackey

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Learned a long time ago that with automated systems such as this there isn't much you can do, if anything, until the system is finished processing. Does no good to speak to a manager or supervisor since they have zero ability to remedy these types of issues.

I remember one time I ordered something from a store and was told I would get an email when it was ready for pickup. Well I showed up a little early even though I didn't get an email and the sales person said I couldn't pick it up even when I showed them the electronic receipt. I couldn't cancel the order either so I either had to buy another one or wait for the system to process my order/get an email and if I did buy another one I would still have had to return the one I ordered after it had processed. Made absolutely no sense to me but because the system had yet to process it I was stuck.
This is the tyranny of machines.

Given the setup, it makes sense why you have to wait. It’s probably a tracking issue. If they just handed over the product to you after confirming your receipt, they still have no way to indicate on their system that you already have the product on hand. The tracking/sales system was probably not built in a way to allow manual entry to indicate when an online order is fulfilled.

That’s the reality of having these electronic systems which I call tyranny of machines. Humans being ruled by machines.
 
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