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applecultvictim

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Maybe from the usual suspects like toshi? I heard they have a 250gb 1.8" out but it must be too thick for the air. :(
 

applecultvictim

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Yeah that's what I thought. So nothing larger than 120gb at the mo? With the difficulty in adding more space to platters we ll probably see much larger ssds than hdds for the air.
 

Veinticinco

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Noticeable that with the rev.B, the SSD option (just) overtook the HDD one in terms of capacity. Which is the way forward really and why I think we'll see a 256GB SSD before any significant increase in HDD (say 160GB).
 

applecultvictim

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Noticeable that with the rev.B, the SSD option (just) overtook the HDD one in terms of capacity. Which is the way forward really and why I think we'll see a 256GB SSD before any significant increase in HDD (say 160GB).

For sure it's getting very hard to squeeze data in the platters and if you can't add thickness..forget it.
 

PaperMacWriter

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I'm sure there is a way to get 250GB in a single platter 1.8" HDD... just that by the time we figure this out, everyone will use SSDs!:p Samsung came out/is comming out with a 256GB SSD 1.8". I expect that to be in the Air rev. C.
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PaperMacWriter

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I'm sure there is a way to get 250GB in a single platter 1.8" HDD... just that by the time we figure this out, everyone will use SSDs!:p Samsung came out/is comming out with a 256GB SSD 1.8". I expect that to be in the Air rev. C.
SG :apple:
 

iMacmatician

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So if the MacBook Air will be updated at about midyear, will the HDD size stay at 120 GB? If so, do you think the 128 GB SSD will replace the HDD (HDD as BTO -$xxx), or not?
 

applecultvictim

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I think they will have a slightly larger hdd say 160gb or 128 ssd (with price diff. of course) in the low end model and 256 or other high ssd for high end model.
 

PaperMacWriter

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So if the MacBook Air will be updated at about midyear, will the HDD size stay at 120 GB? If so, do you think the 128 GB SSD will replace the HDD (HDD as BTO -$xxx), or not?
Certainly a possability. That would also spread out the market to those who want an ultra-portable but don't want to spend as much. Maybe a line-up like this for rev. C:

Category___Model A._______Model B_________BTO option______
HD............128GB SSD.......256GB SSD...........120GB HDD, -$300 on A, -$500 on B
.................................................................256GB on A, +$300. 128GB on B, -$300
RAM..........4GB onboard.....4GB onboard..........none
Processor...1.86GHz...........2.13GHz................2.13GHz on model A, +$200
Extras........GT*................GT*, 512MB VRAM....none
Price..........$1,799............$2,499

*GT=Glass Trackpad
________________________________________________________________
with this, there is always an extra $200 premium for the boost in VRAM, which may or may not be worth it to some. These prices are all random, but the stats are likely, as all these parts would fit in the Air.
SG :apple:
 

applecultvictim

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It's too early for them to go 4gb on the air, they will be cutting into mbp profits, hence the current soldered ram that cannot be upgraded at all. The earliest I see them going to 4gb (3 maybe...) would be with arrandale.
 

PaperMacWriter

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It's too early for them to go 4gb on the air, they will be cutting into mbp profits, hence the current soldered ram that cannot be upgraded at all. The earliest I see them going to 4gb (3 maybe...) would be with arrandale.
Maybe as a BTO option? I sincerely hope that Apple will give us more RAM.
SG :apple:
 

iMacmatician

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with this, there is always an extra $200 premium for the boost in VRAM, which may or may not be worth it to some. These prices are all random, but the stats are likely, as all these parts would fit in the Air.
I've never thought much about a VRAM boost BTO option. I guess I can see that coming, either the next revision or the one after that.

It's too early for them to go 4gb on the air, they will be cutting into mbp profits, hence the current soldered ram that cannot be upgraded at all.
Doubt it, the MacBook goes up to 4 GB already, and I would think it's more of a MacBook Pro competitor than the MacBook Air.
 

applecultvictim

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I've never thought much about a VRAM boost BTO option. I guess I can see that coming, either the next revision or the one after that.

Doubt it, the MacBook goes up to 4 GB already, and I would think it's more of a MacBook Pro competitor than the MacBook Air.

It goes up to but it is not standard, he was talking about offering standard 4gb for the air in a few months time pre arrandale, not gonna happen. Also the macbook is less than a macbook pro competitor than the air because of the screen quality.
 

iMacmatician

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It goes up to but it is not standard, he was talking about offering standard 4gb for the air in a few months time pre arrandale, not gonna happen.
Maybe for the high-end model.

Also the macbook is less than a macbook pro competitor than the air because of the screen quality.
Also the MacBook Air is less a MacBook Pro competitor than the MacBook because of the CPU, RAM, HDD, GPU, optical drive, and ports.
 

Veinticinco

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It's too early for them to go 4gb on the air, they will be cutting into mbp profits, hence the current soldered ram that cannot be upgraded at all. The earliest I see them going to 4gb (3 maybe...) would be with arrandale.
"Too early" for 4GB?! Nope if anything, it's almost too late. The MBA needs to step up and fast, it's still dogged by the negative perceptions surrounding the performance of the rev.A.

With Snow Leopard around the corner, 4GB is a must, in fact it's one of the two essential upgrades that MUST be in rev.C, along with the 256GB SSD (you can keep your gimmicky glass trackpads). Anything less and you may as well write the MBA's obituary right there and then, from a commercial perspective. There'll also be a tablet/netbook thingie around within 12 months, further chipping into the ultraportable MBA market.

It's also not beyond the realms of possibility that the MBA may not even make it to the Arrandale era, and be end-of-lifed after the next refresh - it's not a volume seller by any means, and you only have to look how it's presented in Apple Stores (not so much 'expensive, svelte, desirable flagship', more 'outdated, quirky, ginger-haired stepchild so let's shove a battered one in the corner for the sake of it') to realise its future is far from secure.
 

iann1982

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With Snow Leopard around the corner, 4GB is a must, in fact it's one of the two essential upgrades that MUST be in rev.C, along with the 256GB SSD (you can keep your gimmicky glass trackpads). Anything less and you may as well write the MBA's obituary right there and then, from a commercial perspective. There'll also be a tablet/netbook thingie around within 12 months, further chipping into the ultraportable MBA market.

I'd love 4gb, but why will Snow Leopard make it a must? If anything Snow Leopard should have a smaller footprint and need less system memory as it's a streamlined optimised version of Leopard.

I had 3gb in my macbook before this and I do miss it. But I miss it mainly because I used to run XP virtualised, I still can, but it's really pushing it. I'm not convinced you need more than 2gb for everyday tasks.

I don't think we'll see a lot at the next refresh, maybe a 4gb option, cpu bump, and maybe a small hd bump - all small changes.
 

iMacmatician

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I'd love 4gb, but why will Snow Leopard make it a must? If anything Snow Leopard should have a smaller footprint and need less system memory as it's a streamlined optimised version of Leopard.
System requirements for Snow Leopard developer builds aren't any less than (release) Leopard's.
 

ZunePod

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It's too early for them to go 4gb on the air, they will be cutting into mbp profits, hence the current soldered ram that cannot be upgraded at all. The earliest I see them going to 4gb (3 maybe...) would be with arrandale.

They would make more profits.

Not many people would shell out $2500 for something that can be beaten with something thats £1000 cheaper.

Then again, you have the colony of people called "Arseholes"
 

Veinticinco

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I'd love 4gb, but why will Snow Leopard make it a must? If anything Snow Leopard should have a smaller footprint and need less system memory as it's a streamlined optimised version of Leopard.

I had 3gb in my macbook before this and I do miss it. But I miss it mainly because I used to run XP virtualised, I still can, but it's really pushing it. I'm not convinced you need more than 2gb for everyday tasks.

I don't think we'll see a lot at the next refresh, maybe a 4gb option, cpu bump, and maybe a small hd bump - all small changes.

For all the talk of SL being a leaner meaner grilli...sorry, OS, it's yet to be seen in the wild to be so. As iMacmatician says, the developer builds are no smaller. I know the blurb says smaller RAM footprint but that'll be just for Apple's iLife apps. The very real-world possibility is that SL may enable a lot of other spiffy pro apps (e.g. CS4, FCP) to utilise more RAM than they do currently. Not all of us use MBAs for email/web you know.

And it's very unlikely that 4GB will be a BTO option as the chip is soldered on, not something they'll be able to accommodate in the BTO facility. The CPU bump is all but confirmed given the release of the SL9600, as is the new Samsung 256GB SSD.
 
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