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MacBH928

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Hello.

I got MBP 2015 purchased in late 2017. It still does everything I want and speeds are decent. The charging wire is turning yellow. Biggest caveat is it seems to have hard time playing 1080P videos from YouTube.

I was wondering if any one made the jump from mbp 2015 to newer M series macbooks, do you feel a difference in daily tasks? Is it any snappier? I really do not want to use a stop watch to gauge the speed performance to notice the improvement.

My use case is browsing, light office app and image editing, and I learned gaming is out of the question when it comes to Macs. Fans go wild and the CPU literally cooks. I know M series has much better time at rendering videos and image editing but I do not work in that field.
 

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I upgraded from a Core i5 MAcBook pro “fan heater” to a MacBook pro M1. Immediate reactions were, everything happens instantly, no fan noise, case always cool on the lap (old one need insulation). I miss intel emulation of some windows software but the bulk will emulate under Parallels hosted Windows 11 for ARM anyway and run faster than the orginal copies.

So . . just do it.
 

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Windows 10 on i5-6500 and 16GB DDR4 RAM - freezes and frame drops when playing 4K60 YouTube video [Firefox 115.3.1 ESR] [1920 x 1080 monitor]

macOS Monterey on 15" MBP 2015 - i7-4980HQ and 16GB DDR3 RAM - no issues when playing 4K60 YouTube video [Firefox 115.3.1 ESR]

Unfair comparison due to processor generation and i5 vs i7 difference but somehow seems to confirm that macOS is more optimized than Windows on the same hardware...

Loud fan noise and heat seems to only happen when installing macOS updates or indexing...
 
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Fishrrman

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I had a 2015 MBP 13".
Gave that to my sister and got a MBP 14" (m1pro).
No regrets, the new MBP 14" is very very nice, even a better experience than was the 2015 before it.
 

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I went from a 2015 13” MBA to the 2022 13” MBA M2. The change was night and day, especially in performance and battery life.

I only ask you consider the AppleCare+ into the price point. If it breaks once in 3 years, you WILL save money on the repair (if you pay at all).
 
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I went from a mid 2015 15” with I-7 to an m2 mini. I only did email, numbers and pages so I didn’t really see any meaningful performance improvements. I’m sure if I did video editing there would be a big difference. And no, trying to do numbers on an iPad is painful so I couldn’t just use an iPad.
 
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Hello.

I got MBP 2015 purchased in late 2017. It still does everything I want and speeds are decent. The charging wire is turning yellow. Biggest caveat is it seems to have hard time playing 1080P videos from YouTube.

I was wondering if any one made the jump from mbp 2015 to newer M series macbooks, do you feel a difference in daily tasks? Is it any snappier? I really do not want to use a stop watch to gauge the speed performance to notice the improvement.

My use case is browsing, light office app and image editing, and I learned gaming is out of the question when it comes to Macs. Fans go wild and the CPU literally cooks. I know M series has much better time at rendering videos and image editing but I do not work in that field.
It doesn’t seem like you have any reason to replace the computer, so why do it?

Of course you can, but from what you’re describing, you won’t notice any difference. Apple updates their processors every year. We don’t need new computers every year, so when a new machine makes sense, get one. Sounds like you can go another year or two with the one you have.
 

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I upgraded from a Core i5 MAcBook pro “fan heater” to a MacBook pro M1. Immediate reactions were, everything happens instantly, no fan noise, case always cool on the lap (old one need insulation). I miss intel emulation of some windows software but the bulk will emulate under Parallels hosted Windows 11 for ARM anyway and run faster than the orginal copies.

So . . just do it.

Sounds promising. Does running windows apps in parallels feels native ? I did run VM on Macs before, it works but it feels like its lifting a huge rock.

I went from a mid 2015 15” with I-7 to an m2 mini. I only did email, numbers and pages so I didn’t really see any meaningful performance improvements. I’m sure if I did video editing there would be a big difference. And no, trying to do numbers on an iPad is painful so I couldn’t just use an iPad.

This is what scares me. I do not want to pay the money and then think "I don't see the difference"

It doesn’t seem like you have any reason to replace the computer, so why do it?

Of course you can, but from what you’re describing, you won’t notice any difference. Apple updates their processors every year. We don’t need new computers every year, so when a new machine makes sense, get one. Sounds like you can go another year or two with the one you have.

You are right, I would be saving money and getting a better spec computer if I waited more but I don't have a spare machine and I am afraid this one might start failing due to old(er) age. I already replaced the speakers, the charging wire is turning stiff and yellow, and I love myself more "snappiness" . Thats the dilemma I am in and trying to figure out, should I keep it a while longer or should I take the safe road and get a more modern machine. After all it is 8 year old specs.

decisions decisions....
 

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Sounds promising. Does running windows apps in parallels feels native ? I did run VM on Macs before, it works but it feels like its lifting a huge rock.



This is what scares me. I do not want to pay the money and then think "I don't see the difference"



You are right, I would be saving money and getting a better spec computer if I waited more but I don't have a spare machine and I am afraid this one might start failing due to old(er) age. I already replaced the speakers, the charging wire is turning stiff and yellow, and I love myself more "snappiness" . Thats the dilemma I am in and trying to figure out, should I keep it a while longer or should I take the safe road and get a more modern machine. After all it is 8 year old specs.

decisions decisions....

With Parallels, you can run Windows apps either as a "virtual" machine or in Coherence mode, which runs Windows apps alongside Mac OS apps from the Mac desktop. There are a couple of caveats at play though. You will need to purchase a license for Windows 11 Pro in order to activate the OS, and because it's Windows on ARM rather than x86 Windows, there are some apps that will not run due to limitations on Microsoft's end.
 
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jimm1

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"Does running windows apps in parallels feels native"

Very snappy - yes feels native - No comparison with Fusion running windoze apps on an intel Mac.
The single only slow down I found was a huge XLS with approx 32,000 rows, the vertical scrolling was not as snappy as in native windows - this could have been RAM allocation though. Otherwise I run Visio, Project, Excel, Word in a win11 VM and they all run appreciably faster than my Core i7 desktop.
 
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"Does running windows apps in parallels feels native"

Very snappy - yes feels native - No comparison with Fusion running windoze apps on an intel Mac.
The single only slow down I found was a huge XLS with approx 32,000 rows, the vertical scrolling was not as snappy as in native windows - this could have been RAM allocation though. Otherwise I run Visio, Project, Excel, Word in a win11 VM and they all run appreciably faster than my Core i7 desktop.

interesting. Any reason not to use Excel for Mac?
 

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Not exactly your experience as I had gone back and forth between a few different devices for a while, but essentially I had the 2017 MBA Intel Core i7 (which is—for all intents and purposes—just the slightly spec’d version of the 2015) and jumped to a 2023 MBP M2 Pro.

And it is a pretty insane jump—the new computer is crazy fast. Everything just happens instantly like other have said. I notice apps would sometimes lag while opening on my old MBA, or stuff would take a while to update. If youre syncing from iCloud a bunch of photos or something it will happen as fast your internet connection will allow (usually very fast) whereas on my older device I would notice files getting “stuck” downloading or uploading more.

I’ve never felt the M2 Pro get even warm, or heard the fans once—but I’ll admit my old MBA was holding its own fairly well until Monterey, when the fans would come on just from opening Safari haha.
 
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Sounds promising. Does running windows apps in parallels feels native ? I did run VM on Macs before, it works but it feels like its lifting a huge rock.



This is what scares me. I do not want to pay the money and then think "I don't see the difference"



You are right, I would be saving money and getting a better spec computer if I waited more but I don't have a spare machine and I am afraid this one might start failing due to old(er) age. I already replaced the speakers, the charging wire is turning stiff and yellow, and I love myself more "snappiness" . Thats the dilemma I am in and trying to figure out, should I keep it a while longer or should I take the safe road and get a more modern machine. After all it is 8 year old specs.

decisions decisions....
Sounds like you understand why you want to upgrade, except one thing bothers me… Don’t upgrade because your computer could fail at any time. Instead, backup your computer because your computer could fail at any time.

I had a MacBook Pro stolen. I bought a replacement the next day, restored it from my Time Machine, and didn’t lose a byte. Whether your machine is old or new, you should keep a backup, my friend.

Currently, I run Time Machine to a networked Synology RAID 5 box, which will maintain its data even if one drive fails. And I have a backup drive attached to that as well. My next plan is to install a Synology at a relative’s, out of state. Synology will actually back up one RAID set to another over the Internet, all encrypted. You could just use two USB-3 backup drives, keeping one in a different location than the other. Main reason for data loss is theft, and if somebody breaks in, they aren’t going to be nice and leave your backup behind.
 

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Hello.

I got MBP 2015 purchased in late 2017. It still does everything I want and speeds are decent. The charging wire is turning yellow. Biggest caveat is it seems to have hard time playing 1080P videos from YouTube.

I was wondering if any one made the jump from mbp 2015 to newer M series macbooks, do you feel a difference in daily tasks? Is it any snappier? I really do not want to use a stop watch to gauge the speed performance to notice the improvement.

My use case is browsing, light office app and image editing, and I learned gaming is out of the question when it comes to Macs. Fans go wild and the CPU literally cooks. I know M series has much better time at rendering videos and image editing but I do not work in that field.
I recently purchased a new M2 Mac. I was using two a1078s - a 2008 alum unibody mb and a 2009 alum unibody mbp, both maxed out at 8gb ram and 240gb SSDs running El Cap and Ubuntu 22.04. I used these for most of my DD tasks including YT/Video & music streaming as well as home recording/mixing, word processing/office suite, research, email, basic web-based 3D rendering, surfing and emulated retroarch gaming. To be clear all of the above things worked relatively fine for me with this 16 year old hardware and unsupported as of Halloween 2019 macOS 10.11.

What I did need and did not have access to on a portable was access to remote desktop work environments I needed and some websites that were just too big and fat for my old elderly hardware to run them so after 16 years, I finally purchased a 16" M2 MBP. What I initially noticed included:

-Super Snappy response
-Fantastic speakers/audio quality
-huge trackpad & plenty of palm rest space
-Insane battery life and it does not get very hot on my lap
-Access to all my web based needs with current browser support and a machine/hardware that can easily chew through these fat & bloated supersized websites/web systems.
-Much faster audio recording (less/no latency) and faster mix-down.
-fantastic camera and mic for zoom etc.

What I did not like as much:
-not much key travel on kb. The keys are very flat with little movement. A silicone protector over the keys actually drastically improved the feel for me, giving the keys more height
-lack of upgradeability of this computer.
-No USB-a for my dongles, external super drive, hdd enclosures etc. This can be rectified with a dock but is an additional purchase on an already pricey purchase
- System Settings. I do not like at all the layout here. It reminds me way more of iOS than say the old System Preferences panel of past macOS which I prefer and is much more intuitive to me. I am hoping there is a way to adjust this view as I dig deeper into this machine.

With that, I do have a very beefy windows/linux gaming box that I accessed my remote environments I need, so I didn't really need this M2 in a technical sense and all of what I do already, my old hardware could handle. I bought this primarily for portable web systems access (not stuck on a desktop), the insane battery life, and up to date macOS with new features. I believe there will be added value as I explore Ventura further discovering additional built in functionality and having a system that sees and is capable of interacting with my iPhone 14 will be very nice as well.

That's about it for me. I expect I'll get similar life out of this mbp, so a fine investment for my needs and covers my wants as well. These SOC computers can't be upgraded as you know so buy as much as you can comfortably afford or not at all if you feel you can get a few more years out of your current 15 mbp - a M2 mbp will still be a great value in just a few years time and at an even better price point but you're the judge of that :) I agree with the AppleCare recommendation above if you do choose to purchase. I picked up 3 years of AC with my purchase. Also, even new computers fail, so always back up your current computer whether it be through Time Machine to a physical drive or via iCloud. A new computer purchase will not stop a failure, but a solid plan for backing up & protecting your macOS data/install will. Lastly don't forget about the 15" mbp. These are still very usable machines as I finally transitioned from my 08/09 machines, so for anything that you may need but doesn't play nicely with Apple silicon, you still have your old mbp to repurpose and fill that gap.

Anyways, best of luck to you either way you go :)

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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that because these machines are so less upgradable than previous iterations of MBP, I also recommend along with the AC, a decent case. I did not spend a lot on an extra case - IIRC around $18 USD for a model appropriate molded plastic case that also came with a silicone kb protector and screen cover. I picked up this one off Amazon as my wife has Prime (free S&H). Anyways, added protection against sticky, curious kiddo fingers, nosey pets etc. For example, my kids were raised with my old iPads and use them in school, so they want to touch the screen. What I bought includes a screen cover which is valuable as the first thing my older kiddos wanted to do (6yo-1st grader, 4yo-preKer) was manipulate the screen by touching it like an iPad so if you have little feet around or nosey pets, this comes highly recommended.
 
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HobeSoundDarryl

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OP, sounds like Windows compatibility is very important to you. ARM Windows is not full Windows, so emulation does not deliver full Windows as it would using it on your Intel Mac or Bootcamp on that Mac.

IMO: to embrace Silicon but still NEEDING full Windows, think TWO computers... as it was BEFORE Macs went Intel. I purchased a Silicon Mac and then for a relatively smallish amount relative to Apple pricing, purchased a Mac Mini-like PC too. If you are a laptop guy, buy a good MB and a good PC laptop. When you need Windows, get full Windows on the latter.

Again IMO: this is the best way to have both macOS and Windows now... not hoping emulation will work for all Windows apps you might ever want to use.

Possible cheap option: install an updated version of Windows on the existing Mac (that's at least Windows 10) in bootcamp and basically make it a pretty modern Windows PC. Paired with a Silicon Mac replacement, you'll have the best of both worlds in a single purchase. Just because macOS vintages your use of it as a Mac doesn't mean Windows will vintage it as a PC. Instead, Windows seems to try to keep running on even ancient platforms long since abandoned by Apple. You can probably use the 2015 as a Windows PC until the wheels actually fall off.

Else, comparable specs on a new PC purchase will probably cost a LOT less than the new Silicon Mac... particularly if want more than base spec RAM & SSD. Try to embrace Paralells to cover this base and the annual subscription will add up to a good chunk of the price of simply buying a whole PC now. You'll have certainty Windows compatibility instead of hopefully compatible scenarios going forward.

The big loss: BOTH fully compatible systems in ONE case. Silicon killed that very great benefit that Intel Macs enjoyed. For anyone that NEEDED Windows too, those Intel Macs were a "two birds with one stone" computer. Now we're back to separates with lots of finger crossing that emulation will scratch all itches. For mainstream apps coded for ARM Windows, you'll likely have no problem. For emulated stuff NOT evolved for ARM Windows, it may work, it may sort of work, it may somewhat work or it may not work at all. If any Windows apps are mission critical but not mainstream, I wouldn't even bother taking a chance on emulation.
 
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I recently purchased a new M2 Mac. I was using two a1078s - a 2008 alum unibody mb and a 2009 alum unibody mbp, both maxed out at 8gb ram and 240gb SSDs running El Cap and Ubuntu 22.04. I used these for most of my DD tasks including YT/Video & music streaming as well as home recording/mixing, word processing/office suite, research, email, basic web-based 3D rendering, surfing and emulated retroarch gaming. To be clear all of the above things worked relatively fine for me with this 16 year old hardware and unsupported as of Halloween 2019 macOS 10.11.

What I did need and did not have access to on a portable was access to remote desktop work environments I needed and some websites that were just too big and fat for my old elderly hardware to run them so after 16 years, I finally purchased a 16" M2 MBP. What I initially noticed included:

-Super Snappy response
-Fantastic speakers/audio quality
-huge trackpad & plenty of palm rest space
-Insane battery life and it does not get very hot on my lap
-Access to all my web based needs with current browser support and a machine/hardware that can easily chew through these fat & bloated supersized websites/web systems.
-Much faster audio recording (less/no latency) and faster mix-down.
-fantastic camera and mic for zoom etc.

What I did not like as much:
-not much key travel on kb. The keys are very flat with little movement. A silicone protector over the keys actually drastically improved the feel for me, giving the keys more height
-lack of upgradeability of this computer.
-No USB-a for my dongles, external super drive, hdd enclosures etc. This can be rectified with a dock but is an additional purchase on an already pricey purchase
- System Settings. I do not like at all the layout here. It reminds me way more of iOS than say the old System Preferences panel of past macOS which I prefer and is much more intuitive to me. I am hoping there is a way to adjust this view as I dig deeper into this machine.

With that, I do have a very beefy windows/linux gaming box that I accessed my remote environments I need, so I didn't really need this M2 in a technical sense and all of what I do already, my old hardware could handle. I bought this primarily for portable web systems access (not stuck on a desktop), the insane battery life, and up to date macOS with new features. I believe there will be added value as I explore Ventura further discovering additional built in functionality and having a system that sees and is capable of interacting with my iPhone 14 will be very nice as well.

That's about it for me. I expect I'll get similar life out of this mbp, so a fine investment for my needs and covers my wants as well. These SOC computers can't be upgraded as you know so buy as much as you can comfortably afford or not at all if you feel you can get a few more years out of your current 15 mbp - a M2 mbp will still be a great value in just a few years time and at an even better price point but you're the judge of that :) I agree with the AppleCare recommendation above if you do choose to purchase. I picked up 3 years of AC with my purchase. Also, even new computers fail, so always back up your current computer whether it be through Time Machine to a physical drive or via iCloud. A new computer purchase will not stop a failure, but a solid plan for backing up & protecting your macOS data/install will. Lastly don't forget about the 15" mbp. These are still very usable machines as I finally transitioned from my 08/09 machines, so for anything that you may need but doesn't play nicely with Apple silicon, you still have your old mbp to repurpose and fill that gap.

Anyways, best of luck to you either way you go :)
Nice thoughts! I’d have to agree to disagree on one thing though, and that is that USB-A needs to die, it is a slow, outdated I/O and I’m glad the new MBPs don’t waste a port on it like PCs still do. I’m sorry if you still have a lot of USB-A devices laying around but you can get USB-B/micro-B to C cables that will allow you to directly connect older hard drives that use that standard to a newer Mac, no need for a dock at all.

CableCreation USB C Hard Drive Cable 1FT, 10Gbps Data Transfer Speed, USB C to Micro B Male Cable, Compatible with iPhone 15 Plus/15 Pro Max, WD My Passport, External Hard Drive Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B012V56992?ref_=cm_sw_r_apin_dp_NKRTJRZNCJKN3JJAZ66V
 

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Nice thoughts! I’d have to agree to disagree on one thing though, and that is that USB-A needs to die, it is a slow, outdated I/O and I’m glad the new MBPs don’t waste a port on it like PCs still do. I’m sorry if you still have a lot of USB-A devices laying around but you can get USB-B/micro-B to C cables that will allow you to directly connect older hard drives that use that standard to a newer Mac, no need for a dock at all.

CableCreation USB C Hard Drive Cable 1FT, 10Gbps Data Transfer Speed, USB C to Micro B Male Cable, Compatible with iPhone 15 Plus/15 Pro Max, WD My Passport, External Hard Drive Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B012V56992?ref_=cm_sw_r_apin_dp_NKRTJRZNCJKN3JJAZ66V
I don’t see usb-a going away anytime soon as it’s so heavily used but to your point, standards absolutely do evolve away and I do see C slowly replacing A in the market - my new Vdub is usb-C for example as is my new keyboard. For my use case anyhow, I use the A standard for backwards compatibility between my retro PowerPC & Intel Apple boxes pretty heavily so yes, I do have many usb-A 2 devices that service those older machines & are not going anywhere within my own ecosystem despite Apple dropping A from their lineup. Looks like I’ll be getting some usb-A to C cable & flash drive stocking stuffers this year alongside a dock for multiple monitor support & broader i/o Support. That should fix the lack of usb-A for me. Thanks for the recommendation/link. 🙂
 
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I upgraded from a maxed-out 2015 MacBook Pro (i7, dual graphics card, all the works) to a 2023 MacBook Pro and it is amazing. Wayyy more power efficient, cooler, quieter, and runs everything easily. I would highly recommend it
 
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Hello.

I got MBP 2015 purchased in late 2017. It still does everything I want and speeds are decent. The charging wire is turning yellow. Biggest caveat is it seems to have hard time playing 1080P videos from YouTube.

I was wondering if any one made the jump from mbp 2015 to newer M series macbooks, do you feel a difference in daily tasks? Is it any snappier? I really do not want to use a stop watch to gauge the speed performance to notice the improvement.

My use case is browsing, light office app and image editing, and I learned gaming is out of the question when it comes to Macs. Fans go wild and the CPU literally cooks. I know M series has much better time at rendering videos and image editing but I do not work in that field.
I didn't jump from a 2015 but did upgrade a 2017 i9 MBP to a M1 Max MBP. HUGE difference in general use; it "Feels" a lot faster overall. And I hardly ever hear anything from the fans (which was certainly not the case on the 2017).
 

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With that, I do have a very beefy windows/linux gaming box that I accessed my remote environments I need, so I didn't really need this M2 in a technical sense and all of what I do already, my old hardware could handle.

How does this work? Can I open a window in my laptop and use the remote PC as if it was running natively on my MBP? Can I play recent games in 4K?

Lastly don't forget about the 15" mbp. These are still very usable machines as I finally transitioned from my 08/09 machines

Wow, how did that last you fine up until now. I mean it works but that thing grinds through the binary data.

You can probably use the 2015 as a Windows PC until the wheels actually fall off.

This is a possible solution but I am not sure how long laptop hardware lives. I already had the speakers fail twice on me in 6 years. RAM, storage, Wifi card, screen, battery... you know what I mean.

The big loss: BOTH fully compatible systems in ONE case.

Yup thats the problem. Dealing with 1 machine is much better than maintaining 2 or more machines.
 

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Hello.

I got MBP 2015 purchased in late 2017. It still does everything I want and speeds are decent. The charging wire is turning yellow. Biggest caveat is it seems to have hard time playing 1080P videos from YouTube.

I was wondering if any one made the jump from mbp 2015 to newer M series macbooks, do you feel a difference in daily tasks? Is it any snappier? I really do not want to use a stop watch to gauge the speed performance to notice the improvement.

My use case is browsing, light office app and image editing, and I learned gaming is out of the question when it comes to Macs. Fans go wild and the CPU literally cooks. I know M series has much better time at rendering videos and image editing but I do not work in that field.
I have M2 Air and 2014 MBP. The MBP is quite slow though it’s still usable. The difference is, I still use Mojave for 2014 and use Monterey for M2. I couldn’t stand for Mojave due to compatibility issues for my critical apps. M2 is snappier (yes, but not much), but more noticeable is cooler, silent and much longer battery.
 
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How does this work? Can I open a window in my laptop and use the remote PC as if it was running natively on my MBP? Can I play recent games in 4K?



Wow, how did that last you fine up until now. I mean it works but that thing grinds through the binary data.
I use VMware Horizon to remote into my desktop and needed apps and would do so with my i7 windows box that pulls double duty as my gaming box.

I am very patient I think and also am into retro computing, so that patience extends into using old, early Intel and PowerPC macs. The 08 & 09 mb/mbps I use are for really basic DD stuff. The same things they did 15 years ago lol ie: e-mail, office suite, YT, retro console emulation, surfing etc. they still do remarkably well today. Really it was more about having macOS that had current supported browsers and or use Ubuntu 22.04, so patience+creative use of macOS & apps as well as leveraging apps outside of the Apple ecosystem is how I keep my ecosystem of old hardware relevant. What these machines were really unusable for in my use-case were using current VMware. Those modest c2d’s just couldn’t lift current VMware - it’s waaay too fat and bloated But for everything else they worked fine and I still use them despite having my M2 in play (which I certainly like). I could even process modest YouTube videos and upload them to YT with these c2d machines. It wasn’t blazingly fast but they’d get the job done in decent 10-15 minute time frames. I think it really comes down to what you need out of your apps and your patience threshhold.
 
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