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MP 7,1 Anyone buying a 2019 Mac Pro Intel because of the 2023 Mac Pro M2 Ultra?
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The real question will be how long Apple will support the 2019 Mac Pro, they seem to really be pushing out the Intel stuff pretty quick.
Likely as late as 2027 for Software Updates & 2029 for Security Updates.
Apple was pretty tardy moving out of Intel taking 2.5 years.
Apple finished the Power PC to Intel transition in 9 months.
They started in Jan 2006 with the 1st MBP by Aug 2006 with the 1st Mac Pro.
Not a Feline in Dante's Inferno chance that it'll be supported that long. It may get the next OS after Sonoma. After that it'll be tought breasts to anyone who has an Intel Mac Pro.
PowerPC to Intel transition has nothing to do with the Intel to AS transition. Completely different cases and comletely different companies. Back in 2006 Apple had to keep the computer buyers on side - now it couldn't care less about them.
You may be correct. macOS Sonoma does not support the 2017 iMac so it will likely have Security Updates for the next 2 years.
So 8 years of support.
2019 Mac Pro may have Software Support as early as 2025 & Security Update as early as 2027.
You are probably correct but for different reasons.
Considering it was COVID Apple couldn't keep up with M1 Ultra chip demand on the 2021 Mac Studio so better not push out a 2021 Mac Pro M1 Ultra 1.3 years ago.
Apple will not support major software updates for the 2019 Mac Pro for 8 years, no Intel Mac will be running the most recent macOS in 2027. The PowerPC transition happened so quickly because the performance of Intel was far greater than that of the PowerPC and it made Rosetta far more powerful making the transition smoother. PowerPC Macs only got one major release after the transition was complete.
The real challenge will be within 6-12 months there will be no new stock supported graphics cards for it - all the 6xxx series will be sold out and replaced with 7xxx in the retail channel. MPX cards likewise, Apple will have warranty replacement stock, but nothing for sale.
More than likely true; however I still have a glimmer of hope for a 7xxx MPX module.
I would hope they make the drivers available for AMD 7000 series GPUs, and maybe even the W7800 or W7900x too.
Nothing stopping it in terms of the hardware, they are basically close enough to the power and specs of the existing GPUs.
The only thing...It would further bring the Intel Mac Pro performance up another notch, and for 3D heavy or stuff like R3D Raw video codecs that rely on the GPU, will still far outclass the M2 Ultra Mac Pro with W7000 series GPUs.
Does Apple really want to do that? It may segment the "idea" of the Mac Pro too much and make their silicon GPU version seem inferior.
Nothing stopping it in terms of the hardware, they are basically close enough to the power and specs of the existing GPUs.
The only thing...It would further bring the Intel Mac Pro performance up another notch, and for 3D heavy or stuff like R3D Raw video codecs that rely on the GPU, will still far outclass the M2 Ultra Mac Pro with W7000 series GPUs.
Does Apple really want to do that? It may segment the "idea" of the Mac Pro too much and make their silicon GPU version seem inferior.
Well it would be kind of ****** for Apple to not allow things to be installed in such a high dollar machine when it is obvious it will work; let AMD make the drivers. And really the only thing that would be faster than the M2 Ultra is 3D stuff and compute heavy GPU effects. The Ultra is still going to crush the 2019 Mac Pro when it comes to Pro Res editing no matter what.
A 4x W6800 2019 Pro is still going to be faster than the Ultra in GPU compute; so I don't think it harms Apple to release W7xxx drivers.
I didn’t wait - I purchased last year when my maximum spec 5,1 started to fail.
Expensive but a great computer.
We have to absolutely scream and yell at Apple to support RDNA3 or w7xxx AMD cards.
I agree. M1 crushed the 7,1 with certain tasks like that too and Apple still released AMD W6x00X MPXs. Still a slim chance they'll quietly launch W7x00X MPXs.
My friend purchased a 7,1 with mid to high-end specs back in April out of fear that a discontinuation was inbound, he is very glad that he did now. We are using it in our shop for intensive virtualization and utilization of the PCIe slots with both Windows and macOS.
Next year will probably be last OS for us, but we are hoping to keep it as our main unified machine for the rest of this decade. Given that we do not need much in the way of updated software, this is a fabulous machine for our existing stable of apps and equipment. I never could've afforded to buy one just for myself, however much I would have wanted to.
Next year will probably be last OS for us, but we are hoping to keep it as our main unified machine for the rest of this decade. Given that we do not need much in the way of updated software, this is a fabulous machine for our existing stable of apps and equipment. I never could've afforded to buy one just for myself, however much I would have wanted to.
I have been a 'die hard' Mac Pro owner for the past 12 years and would love to continue the trend.
However having done some research, I personally feel it would be a bad purchase for 'myself'.
I recently saw a glut on the refurb store, but after consideration came to this conclusion:
1.MP components (from Apple) will start to disappear from sale.
2.Upgrading using Apple components is damn expensive.
3.The 'base' MP has Geekbench score (7200) compared to M1 Mac Studio Max (12340) for half the price (the M2 will probably be almost 14000).
4.How long will MacOS be supported.
5.The 'base' MP has an idle wattage of 101w which is almost identical to the max output of 115w for Studio (with an idle of 11w).
6.Power consumption is a larger factor these days, with rising energy costs.
7.The 2019 MP is almost 4 years old.
So no Pro Mac for me in any form (especially not AS version......
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However having done some research, I personally feel it would be a bad purchase for 'myself'.
I recently saw a glut on the refurb store, but after consideration came to this conclusion:
1.MP components (from Apple) will start to disappear from sale.
2.Upgrading using Apple components is damn expensive.
3.The 'base' MP has Geekbench score (7200) compared to M1 Mac Studio Max (12340) for half the price (the M2 will probably be almost 14000).
4.How long will MacOS be supported.
5.The 'base' MP has an idle wattage of 101w which is almost identical to the max output of 115w for Studio (with an idle of 11w).
6.Power consumption is a larger factor these days, with rising energy costs.
7.The 2019 MP is almost 4 years old.
So no Pro Mac for me in any form (especially not AS version......
).Thoughtful post. I appreciate this.I have been a 'die hard' Mac Pro owner for the past 12 years and would love to continue the trend.
However having done some research, I personally feel it would be a bad purchase for 'myself'.
I recently saw a glut on the refurb store, but after consideration came to this conclusion:
1.MP components (from Apple) will start to disappear from sale.
2.Upgrading using Apple components is damn expensive.
3.The 'base' MP has Geekbench score (7200) compared to M1 Mac Studio Max (12340) for half the price (the M2 will probably be almost 14000).
4.How long will MacOS be supported.
5.The 'base' MP has an idle wattage of 101w which is almost identical to the max output of 115w for Studio (with an idle of 11w).
6.Power consumption is a larger factor these days, with rising energy costs.
7.The 2019 MP is almost 4 years old.
So no Pro Mac for me in any form (especially not AS version......
Odds are it will receive macOS Software Updates for 8 years and additional 2 years for Security Updates.
So any 2023 Mac will be vintage by 2033.
Many do not mind the power consumption of desktops but when anyone is serious about cost you start looking at EER of HVAC, fuel consumption of vehicles, lumen per Watt of LED lamps, MBA consuming more than 30W
I was referring to the 2019 MP with software updates (as per the title of the thread).
I am a non-pro user so really don't need the massive extra ram or beefy gpu options.
My RX580 is overkill for my usage.
If I went for the M2 Ultra Studio, for my use it would be the same as a 2023 MP as I would have no use for the PCIe slots.
I just bought one of the $4,099 refurbs on the Apple Store. It's going to initially be a backup in case my 2010 Mac Pro goes completely south. That one has been KP'ing recently so I bought a refurb single processor tray (turnkey with the northbridge clips checked, 48GB RAM) for $210 (didn't want to go through the hassle of disassembling my existing one); system is working well now. Considering the years I am getting out of this 5,1, I'm expecting this 7,1 to do the same (even though I know official OS support will dry up; but I'm also out of date on this 2010). Probably will be my last workstation box from Apple though.
I think macOS 15 will likely be the last Intel release. 2024 will mark 6 years since the 2019 Mac Pro launched, 5 since the last Intel Mac launched. It will be a good send off with 2 years of security updates which will carry through to the end of 2026. Its not like its gonna stop working either. Macs tend to be very compliance like in nature. The fact that my 2001 PowerBook G4 with Mac OS 10.1 still works should be confidence that your 2019 Mac Pro will likely still be working in 2040.
Which are, respectively, two and four years away. Not long at all.
It's a whole different ballpark these days also.
When I bought my cMP new it cost me £2k, then it's been updated over the years.
To buy a 2019 MP, it's starting at £4k+ (for a refurb), then updates.
Which is a lot of money for almost 4 years old tech.
I would never buy something like this from eBay either as anything could go pop, with no come back.
At least you can get AC with a refurb.
When I bought my cMP new it cost me £2k, then it's been updated over the years.
To buy a 2019 MP, it's starting at £4k+ (for a refurb), then updates.
Which is a lot of money for almost 4 years old tech.
I would never buy something like this from eBay either as anything could go pop, with no come back.
At least you can get AC with a refurb.