Other Anyone else bummed that iPhone 13's new cinematic mode isn't 4K?

[hkeely]

Cinematic Mode seems like such a fantastic tool for filmmakers, but most filmmakers shoot in 4K. I imagine the file sizes will be large though, and they'd be even larger with 4K.

I also sincerely hope Apple enables post-shoot focus-editing in iMovie and Final Cut Pro this fall.

 

[Dwalls90]

Cinematic Mode seems like such a fantastic tool for filmmakers, but most filmmakers shoot in 4K. I imagine the file sizes will be large though, and they'd be even larger with 4K.

I also sincerely hope Apple enables post-shoot focus-editing in iMovie and Final Cut Pro this fall.

You'll need to wait for the iPhone 14 for that

 

[Bacasable]

Yes me too
I think it is because in 4K the difference between focus and blur will me too much visible

 

[StumpyBloke]

I noticed in the promos for this that they also showed some slo-mo clips which I’m assuming are still only available in 1080p on the new phones?

 

[hkeely]

You'll need to wait for the iPhone 14 for that

Oh, Apple! Well, if the iPhone 14 has a 3nm chipset as rumored, perhaps that will be able to handle the power needed.

 

[dumastudetto]

Nope. The technology is still incredible and truly revolutionary in a device of this kind.

 

[hkeely]

Yes me too
I think it is because in 4K the difference between focus and blur will me too much visible

That's a valid point I hadn't considered. I'm shocked that it looked like hair edges still aren't as sharp as they should be in portrait mode photos on the iPhone 13.

 

[hkeely]

I noticed in the promos for this that they also showed some slo-mo clips which I’m assuming are still only available in 1080p on the new phones?

That's right! I'm stunned by that, too! We've had slo-mo limited to 1080p for years. If the chips keep getting better, you'd think we could shoot 4K slo-mo. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think even GoPro cameras have long been able to shoot slo-mo in 4K.

 

[hovscorpion12]

The majority of films (including Avatar, Endame) were filmed in in 2048 x 1080 (2K) resolution. Avatar was filed at 24fps.

There are films that were filmed in 4K (1917, 1776, 2 Fast 2 Furious, Blade Runner 2049, 2001 Space Odyssey..etc). Unless your really producing Hollywood films, Apple's cinematic mode is perfect.

my question, is the actual resolution of cinematic mode. Will it be 1920x1080 or 2048 x 1080? Both the Pro & pro max have 2532‑by‑1170 and 2778‑by‑1284 so they could theoretically film in 2048 x 1080.

Best case scenario is edit on Final cut/Adobe Premier and change the resolution.

 

[Menneisyys2]

Also see https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ture-iphones-either-explanation-here.2311322/ for my assumptions. In a word: the reason for allowing for focus point selection strictly in post processing may be the reason Apple couldn't provide us with 4k. That is, it's
1, not Apple's greed
2, not because of the insufficient CPU / camera hardware / storage speed etc.

 

[runner77]

No, perfectly fine. This is the first iteration of that feature and it is still buggy. They will improve and adapt resolution.

 

[cannono]

The majority of films (including Avatar, Endame) were filmed in in 2048 x 1080 (2K) resolution. Avatar was filed at 24fps.

There are films that were filmed in 4K (1917, 1776, 2 Fast 2 Furious, Blade Runner 2049, 2001 Space Odyssey..etc). Unless your really producing Hollywood films, Apple's cinematic mode is perfect.

my question, is the actual resolution of cinematic mode. Will it be 1920x1080 or 2048 x 1080? Both the Pro & pro max have 2532‑by‑1170 and 2778‑by‑1284 so they could theoretically film in 2048 x 1080.

Best case scenario is edit on Final cut/Adobe Premier and change the resolution.

Not quite accurate - films are typically shot at 4K or above, many now in 6K, 6.5K or 8K. Some older digitally shot films were filmed at low digital resolutions like 1080 or 2K, but that is rare now. Many recent films are often rendered or mastered in 2K for theaters, however, and then remastered to 4K via upscale for home TVs. So yes, 2K is common for movies as an output, but has become less common in the past 3-5 years as technology for digital films and theater projection has improved. A 2K master is more common with movies that use any CGI, because it is very expensive and holds up better at lower resolutions. High res CGI can show flaws, and worse, takes way longer to produce and render. But many theatrical films are now moving up to 4K masters.

Also, 2001 A Space Odyssey is from the 1960s, it was shot at film so assigning it a number like 4K doesn't apply.

So it's disappointing to me that the cinema mode would be 1080p, and it is almost certainly 1920x1080. Very unlikely a consumer brand would use professional definitions of 2K or HD.

 

[matejphoto]

Possible reasons from my point of view:
1.) The processor is not capable of cinematic mode at 4K.
2.) Apple is saving up the 4K for future iPhones.
3.) It does not look all that great in 1080p and 4K would make it much more obvious.
4.) Because of the feature that allows to select focus after shooting, the original footage has to be shot at hyperfocal distance. And apparent depth of field is higher for lower resolution files.

I also made a video on this topic:

 

[mattdeezy]

I noticed in the demonstrations of this feature that the transition between focal points is immediate rather than a smooth transition. I wonder if this is because it's using 2 different lenses to capture the focal points simultaneously? The reason I mention this in this thread is that it looks like a fun amateur feature, not intended for professional filming so 4k is probably excessive, if not impossible with the current chipset and lenses.

 

[matejphoto]

I noticed in the demonstrations of this feature that the transition between focal points is immediate rather than a smooth transition. I wonder if this is because it's using 2 different lenses to capture the focal points simultaneously? The reason I mention this in this thread is that it looks like a fun amateur feature, not intended for professional filming so 4k is probably excessive, if not impossible with the current chipset and lenses.

Fair, but for other video people have been shooting regularly in 4K on iPhones for 5 years.

For my family videos I think I would rather take the 4K than the cinematic mode.

 

[Menneisyys2]

Possible reasons from my point of view:

3.) It does not look all that great in 1080p and 4K would make it much more obvious.
4.) Because of the feature that allows to select focus after shooting, the original footage has to be shot at hyperfocal distance. And apparent depth of field is higher for lower resolution files.

Absolutely agreed.

 

[vroom2]

Crap, I didn’t even realize it wasn’t 4K. What a bummer.

 

[no0nefamous]

I understand not being 4K, but it really should be at 24FPS, not 30.

 

[matejphoto]

I understand not being 4K, but it really should be at 24FPS, not 30.

Agreed! This they should be able to add in a software update. I imagine many people shoot 24fps on big cameras and would like to splice some short clips from iPhone into their projects.

 

[baypharm]

Wasn’t the 11 pro max 4K 24fps capable?

 

[no0nefamous]

Yes, and the new phones will have 4k 30 fps and 60 fps too, but Cinematic Mode seems limited to 30 FPS. Perhaps they mean a max of 30 FPS.

 

[Tsepz]

Wasn’t the 11 pro max 4K 24fps capable?

Yep but it does not have Cinematic Mode.

Here is the setting in my 11 Pro Max.

Perhaps they mean a max of 30 FPS.

I was thinking this to.