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Apple doesn't care about Mac Pro Users

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Mactrunk

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Apple doesn't care about us.
That is the bottom line.

I think they used to....
It was always a big secret, but now the secret is that Apple has rejected its core.
The core of Mac Pro users.

Apple has so much money that they could easily put out a state of the art aluminum box and several amazing plastic cans.
It would require an infinitesimal percentage of their wealth.
They would get great press from us and the whole pro market.

I'm saddened that they dismiss the loyal pro users.
They have the resources to make Steve-worthy machines.

Sorry Steve, Tim has taken over your dreams.

Mac Pro Watch anybody?
 
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Apple's goal is not to please the users. Apple's goal is to earn more money this year than the year before. They are not in business of getting good press. They are in business of getting billions of dollars. If they decide that there is enough money to be made of a new Mac Pro to justify R&D, there will be a new Mac Pro. Otherwise? Buy a glue-filled iMac every year.

I don't think it's been a big secret for quite a few years now either.
 
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Nah, i don't think they make much with the Mac Pro. I think the Mac Pro is just a small piece of the Apple computer pie. I think they aims on the iMacs and MacBooks. Which we have to be fair, are awesome (clean desk) computers for almost every task. I wouldn't even be surprised if they drop their Pro section in the near future.
 
Apple will stop the MacPro one day for sure, but not because they don't care about professionals, simply because the power of new laptop/Imac desktop will be enough to avoid separate product line.
The Macpro will be there at least in the next 5 years, simply because Apple needs one for their own internal teams & partners (developers,...) for heavy tasks. Apple teams are also pro users ! They also need power...
Then there will be soon (> 5y) a convergence in the product line, with options (vid Card, CPU,...) to differentiate according to power requirements. Look how small is the new MacPro, how powerful is the new Imac, and there's barely few things I cannot do with my Macbook Pro that I can do with my Mac Pro, except short video rendering time (for the time being...).
A good example is the Iphone line : the geeks don't use half of the power of the Iphone while heavy pro users use all of the power with additional RAM, but there is only one Iphone product line...
 
They can't compete against the price/performance that an independent system builder can make themselves. Be platform agnostic or use hackintosh and you won't need to worry. Think about your productivity apps instead.
 
SoyCapitanSoyCapitan said:
They can't compete against the price/performance that an independent system builder can make themselves. Be platform agnostic or use hackintosh and you won't need to worry. Think about your productivity apps instead.
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Some people are not looking for price/performance as much as support & reliability. If you are looking for a system builder for a workstation, you better make sure you have a good one. So buyer beware.

Platform agnostic? You can run Mac OS X, Windows and Linux reliably ( Not so much a Hackentosh ) on a Mac.
 
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The old Mac Pro is definitely gone. The new one should be called something else, I think.
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True and this isn't the first time Apple has done this to high end users. Back in the early 2000's they came out with the Blue and White and the first G4 it had 3 pci slots the 9600 had 6 so many users stayed with the 9600 and added a G3 or G4 upgrade. Apple finally listened and made the Mirrored Drive doors more expandable took 4 years. But Apple makes to much money from I pads and I phones at a lower cost margin and we suffer for it!
 
linuxcooldude said:
Some people are not looking for price/performance as much as support & reliability. If you are looking for a system builder for a workstation, you better make sure you have a good one. So buyer beware.

Platform agnostic? You can run Mac OS X, Windows and Linux reliably ( Not so much a Hackentosh ) on a Mac.[/QUOT

What do you run?

Full Specs please with OS Choice.
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Mactrunk said:
Apple doesn't care about us.
That is the bottom line.

I think they used to....
It was always a big secret, but now the secret is that Apple has rejected its core.
The core of Mac Pro users.

Apple has so much money that they could easily put out a state of the art aluminum box and several amazing plastic cans.
It would require an infinitesimal percentage of their wealth.
They would get great press from us and the whole pro market.

I'm saddened that they dismiss the loyal pro users.
They have the resources to make Steve-worthy machines.

Sorry Steve, Tim has taken over your dreams.

Mac Pro Watch anybody?
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Great, another Poem of Pessimism
 
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It just pisses me off that Apple ignores all the screams for a real tower workstation. Yeah, it won't sell boatloads, but will do wonders for the core power Mac users out there that need something like that.
 
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It just pisses me off that Apple ignores all the screams for a real tower workstation. Yeah, it won't sell boatloads, but will do wonders for the core power Mac users out there that need something like that.
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I know, I can't believe they got rid of firewire 400, I used that all the time.
 
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Apple has too many things on their plate. The Mac Pro isn't special. You have the iPad Pro (where iOS got very few changes to take advantage of the hardware), the iMac (not Skylake, no TB3), the Macbook Pro (not Skylake, no TB3), Apple Watch (very few updates, app ecosystem is dying), or iOS (getting generally more buggy, UI issues.)

The Mac Pro isn't unique in this situation.
 
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Apple has too many things on their plate. The Mac Pro isn't special. You have the iPad Pro (where iOS got very few changes to take advantage of the hardware), the iMac (not Skylake, no TB3), the Macbook Pro (not Skylake, no TB3), Apple Watch (very few updates, app ecosystem is dying), or iOS (getting generally more buggy, UI issues.)

The Mac Pro isn't unique in this situation.
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It's not like they only just add bugs though, every new release introduces more bugs but also a lot more features.

Hardware will eventually be updated, they're probably figuring out or producing the best way to implement TB3 across their line, maybe even universally. (hopefully to work with a new display).
 
Fred - have to agree with the TB3 comment. That will more than likely be the next upgrade (excluding incremental bumps). And the wonderful thing about it is that even if becomes available within the next year or two, I won't need it as the nMP is sufficient.

WRT the display - I'm hopeful they'll push something but it can't be less than 30".
 
goMac said:
Apple has too many things on their plate. The Mac Pro isn't special. You have the iPad Pro (where iOS got very few changes to take advantage of the hardware), the iMac (not Skylake, no TB3), the Macbook Pro (not Skylake, no TB3), Apple Watch (very few updates, app ecosystem is dying), or iOS (getting generally more buggy, UI issues.)

The Mac Pro isn't unique in this situation.
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This discussion again, the "Apple has too many things on their plate" has been the most repeated sentence (in different iterations) since the iPod was first released...
Let me paraphrase:
2002 and 2003: iPod with windows-support and later USB was released: Apple doesn't care about Mac users anymore, Windows users will get all the attention!!!
2005: Mac Mini released, "OMG, Why do apple release a toy machine! It's useless, APPLE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE PROS ANYMORE, GIVE US 3GHZ G5 OMFG WTF APPLE!"
2007: iPhone relased: "WTF? iPhone OS (it wasn't called IOS then) will take all the attention from OS X, OS X is DOOMED! Apple doesn't care about it's computers anymore!"
2010: iPad released: "See, all the development goes into IOS-devices!!! Why do we need a bigger IOS-device, give us better computers!!!"

And so on... During this time we also got a more or less flawless transition to intel (including the phenomenal Rosetta system), a fantastic development in features, functionality and performance of OS X, a few fantastic hardware and software products (MB Pro Retina to name one) and so on.

Seriously, Apple has like a hundred thousand employees, if you think like 12 different main products with 2 main OS-branches (OS X, IOS incl. Apple TV and Watch OS) is too much for such a huge company, think again... (MB, MB Pro, MB Pro Retina, MB Air, MP, iMac, iMac Retina, Mac Mini, iPhone, Ipad, iPod Touch, Apple TV, Apple Watch). That's like 5 different product categories... (Watch, AppleTV, Desktop, Laptop, Tablet).

Or are you one of those that still think Apple has like a thousand employees and everyone is a part of every product?
Some people seriously seem to think so.

And furter: TB3, was really first released in any way in september and first products with it just started to show, Skylake: Was announced in August and all products aren't released yet afaik.

iMac Retina with the i7 is skylake, so why do you state the iMac is not? the Retina is the top-of-the-line iMac, and the only one really worthy and in need of skylake. Macbook Pro Retina was updated in spring of 2015 and at that time Skylake wasn't released.

What do you want them to do, go away from their age old release schedule to satisfy a few select users need to always be bleeding-edge? Should they center their release date around Intels release schedule instead of when the product is ready?

Of course not, they'll release the products when they think they are ready, and probably a MB Pro Retina w. skylake is in the works and wasn't finished (and/or the previous model hadn't ran its course yet) when intel released skylake...
 
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Who cares what apple cares about? Either they satisfy your needs and your pursue their solutions, or they don't and you move on. But I agree that selling OSX as a standalone OS that is not tied to any specific hardware configuration would be great.
 
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Who cares what apple cares about? Either they satisfy your needs and your pursue their solutions, or they don't and you move on. But I agree that selling OSX as a standalone OS that is not tied to any specific hardware configuration would be great.
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Exactly, as long as their products satisfy your needs, go with it. If they don't look for something that suits you better, can't find anything? Well, stick with apple.

IMHO OS X should never be released for people to install on any hardware they please, that would make it a mess with drivers and incompatiblities and in the extension make the OS even more bloated than it currently is. But maybe strike a deal with HP, Lenovo or Dell and let them create OS X compatible computers (as there were rumors of being allowed to do before/during the Intel switch). Dell/HP/Lenovo would be required to keep drivers updated as long as Apple supports that generation of hardware on it's OS (like say 5 years) and be forbidden to include any included crapware with the factory installation.
 
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