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Norskman

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I found this article below when searching on iMac i7 info.

We took delivery of the brand spankin' new 27" i7 iMac last week and connected it immediately to our Final Share SAN in about 5 minutes for video editing. Quick tests showed the SAN was connected and working fine.

Then today I started really editing on it and I'm dropping frames every 10 to 30 seconds. Now it appears the ethernet controller that is in the new Mac cannot support the speeds necessary to edit video via the SAN. Our 2 year old iMacs can, but the brand spanking new, most powerful iMac cannot.

I'm at a loss as to how Apple can improve every aspect of this machine, including the absolutely stunning 27" LED backlit display, but then cut back on something as simple as an Ethernet Controller that should be designed to work with today's equipment running high speed internet instead of stepping backwards to the speed of older model PowerMac machines.

We're working with a few folks to see if this can be addressed at all with a driver update or if it's just all that the card can do. If this is all the speed we get, this machine is going back and we'll move on with another machine. My original plan was to install up to 4 of these 27" iMacs in our new facility, but that may have to change now if Apple is going to stay with these crippled controllers instead of giving us the speed we're paying for.

I'll update you guys as more information becomes available. To say I'm disappointed right now is an understatement. Wonder what I need to do to get on a beta test team because I seem to the person pushing all the systems further than any of their beta testers are. Everyone always tells me "you're the first person to find this......"

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UPDATE #1 - 2/25/2010

I've been told the problem is limited to the 27" i5 and i7 Quad Core iMacs. The Core Duo machines appear to support full Jumbo Frames across Ethernet. We're going to do definitive testing on both my i7 and a Core Duo machine this afternoon. Will update with more later.

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UPDATE #2 - 2/25/2010

We took the iMac to one of the local Apple Stores where the technician at the Genius Bar confirmed that the Broadcom 5764 Ethernet Controller in the i7 iMac 27" does not support speeds over 1500. This same controller is in the i5 iMac 27" machine too. From what he could gather, the Broadcom website is very vague as to whether the controller itself cannot support higher speeds or if it's just a driver issue. I've been told by outside sources that the documentation on the 5764 states it does not support Jumbo Frames so that leads me to believe 1500 is the max.

Now the Intel Core Duo 2 machines, which is pretty much the rest of Apple's lineup, all support Jumbo Frames. This includes the Core Duo 2 iMac 27" machines. I've returned the i7 and have ordered the 3.33Ghz 27" iMac.

I'm dumbfounded as to what happened with the design of the i7 and i5 machines. How was something as simple as an ethernet controller allowed to become a bottleneck on the flagship machine of a company? I don't know, but be aware that if you plan to use this in a professional environment and will require true high speed ethernet data transfer, as of right now, the i5 and i7 iMacs will not support that.

Again, to say I'm disappointed with Apple right now is an understatement.

Here's the original post: http://blogs.creativecow.net/blog/1...s-do-not-support-high-speed-ethernet-transfer

This kinda supports me as I already use a SAN and store most of my pictures, videos and music on it.
 
Storing pictures, video and music externally doesnt require gigabit speeds.

If you are editing video, thats different.

But still crappy.

Reminds me of the crappy FW800 performance on G5 towers when FW800 on MBPs smoked them. If you really need big FW800 speed, you had to buy a FW800 PCI card.
 
It's arguable whether or not the iMac is Apple's "flagship" machine. If the Mac Pros were limited in the same way I'd be more inclined to sympathize.

It's Apple's flagship in consumer level desktops. Sounds stupid though, $2k machine that is slower than much older Macs.
 
All in all, what is the ethernet speed that the i5/i7 iMacs support?

And now an off-topic question. Will I be able to enconde/edit a video through FireWire800? (Having the movie in a external hard drive and encoding/editing the movie)
 
It's Apple's flagship in consumer level desktops. Sounds stupid though, $2k machine that is slower than much older Macs.

Just to clarify -- the iMacs are *NOT* any slower than older iMacs.

Lets not make this ant hill into Everest.

The rate at which its capable of transferring files over its gigabit ethernet connection is less than previous and current Core2Duo iMacs.

I would guess this problem will affect fewer than 1% of all iMac users -- considering the fact its an i5/i7 issue.

90% off all iMacs will ship with Core2Duos, which are not affected, and the remaining 10% of iMacs that ship with i5/i7s, only .01% of those people will even notice. I bet 80%+ of i5/i7 users use wireless, not even using the ethernet port at all.

It sucks, but only on a microscopic level in overall sales.
 
Just to clarify -- the iMacs are *NOT* any slower than older iMacs.

Lets not make this ant hill into Everest.

The rate at which its capable of transferring files over its gigabit ethernet connection is less than previous and current Core2Duo iMacs.

I would guess this problem will affect fewer than 1% of all iMac users -- considering the fact its an i5/i7 issue.

90% off all iMacs will ship with Core2Duos, which are not affected, and the remaining 10% of iMacs that ship with i5/i7s, only .01% of those people will even notice. I bet 80%+ of i5/i7 users use wireless, not even using the ethernet port at all.

It sucks, but only on a microscopic level in overall sales.

Yea I agree. It's just feels odd that the "fastest" ones have slower components but as you said, there aren't many people that it would affect to.
 
All in all, what is the ethernet speed that the i5/i7 iMacs support?

And now an off-topic question. Will I be able to enconde/edit a video through FireWire800? (Having the movie in a external hard drive and encoding/editing the movie)

No one? Especially for the first question.. Will I be able to get 100Mbps internet connection through ethernet?
 
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