Apple OS releases just keep getting buggier

[Andy2k]

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to get some other forum peeps opinions. Now with this latest gaffe and the ocsp problem slowing down.

IMHO these iOS and MacOS releases just keep getting worse and have bugs that really shouldn’t be happening on launch software. Is their software quality control just non-existent anymore. Why do these big software releases keep going so poorly?

Sincerely,

A frustrated Mac User

 

[deannnnn]

People say this every time.

 

[Andy2k]

People say this every time.

I suppose but I didn’t have these kinds of problems with 10.9 - 10.13. I’m not just talking about one computer either. Multiple Macs same buggy day 1 releases.

 

[ondioline]

I installed Big Sur on 3 computers today (iMac, MP, MBP) and the upgrade worked fine on every single one. What are you even referring to?

 

[Andy2k]

I installed Big Sur on 3 computers today (iMac, MP, MBP) and the upgrade worked fine on every single one. What are you even referring to?

macOS Big Sur launch appears to cause temporary slowdown in even non-Big Sur Macs

Even Macs that didn’t upgrade to Big Sur had problems.

arstechnica.com

 

[Andy2k]

macOS Big Sur launch appears to cause temporary slowdown in even non-Big Sur Macs

Even Macs that didn’t upgrade to Big Sur had problems.

arstechnica.com

I installed Big Sur on 3 computers today (iMac, MP, MBP) and the upgrade worked fine on every single one. What are you even referring to?

I’d say you’re pretty lucky then if you didn’t experience a slow down. My 2019 I9 Mac slowed to a crawl and I haven’t even updated it to Big Sur yet.

 

[ondioline]

The ocsp and download issues were outages on Apple infra. It literally has nothing to do with the actual quality of the Big Sur release. Are you unable to differentiate the two?

 

[UBS28]

And uglier.

 

[Andy2k]

Yes I can differentiate from the two. This is still a really big screw up. Just like the last 3 MacOS upgrades have been. However, maybe the fact that you’re a huge Apple fanboy has clouded your ability to see it.

I understand the infa was the problem this time. Regardless it’s a big screw up and egg is on Apples face.

 

[N82]

Safari starts slow, Spotify scrolling has lags. Sure some work to do Apple.

 

[Ethosik]

I certainly agree with this. EVERY macOS until both Catalina and now Big Sur has never been a problem. With Catalina day 1 and for several months after, I was getting many Kernel Panics a day. It is 100% software as it was resolved in a later update to the OS. It NEVER was a problem with Mojave. Guess what is happening now with Big Sur. Yep, several Kernel Panics happened yesterday.

 

[iMatt.]

So wait for .1 release

 

[Ethosik]

So wait for .1 release

That wasn't good enough for my kernel panic problem with Catalina. I had to wait for 10.15.5 before it was fixed.

 

[Andy2k]

So wait for .1 release

I will probably wait until .2

 

[hatchettjack]

running fine on mine! like the ui too!

 

[Andy2k]

I certainly agree with this. EVERY macOS until both Catalina and now Big Sur has never been a problem. With Catalina day 1 and for several months after, I was getting many Kernel Panics a day. It is 100% software as it was resolved in a later update to the OS. It NEVER was a problem with Mojave. Guess what is happening now with Big Sur. Yep, several Kernel Panics happened yesterday.

Now that I think about it you’re right. This didn’t seem to plague the Mojave release. I think Apple has pressured itself into this unrealistic release timeline to coincide with their hardware release. I wish we could get back to the 10.4 Tiger OS type release. Mac OS Tiger is just a masterpiece in my mind. In fact I have two older machines still running Tiger that I use to retro game from time to time.

 

[Ethosik]

Now that I think about it you’re right. This didn’t seem to plague the Mojave release. I think Apple has pressured itself into this unrealistic release timeline to coincide with their hardware release. I wish we could get back to the 10.4 Tiger OS type release. Mac OS Tiger is just a masterpiece in my mind. In fact I have two older machines still running Tiger that I use to retro game from time to time.

Its a problem with agile software development. Everything is more buggy these days. I ave been a developer with several large companies over the years that all adopted the agile development cycle that puts pressure on dev and especially QA on time to test things. Microsoft is doing the same things lately. Several of the big windows 10 updates are removing software, causing blue screens, deleting user's documents, and many more issues. And they released an update a couple months ago now that broke Azure, Office 365, and Teams for several hours.

Things just need to slow down like they were before. Wait 3-4 years for the next OS update like it was when Windows XP days. We do not need a new OS update twice a year for Windows. We really do not need a new macOS update every single year because by the time its stable enough, the next one is released that is super buggy.

 

[Big Bad D]

Personally for my usage, Big Sur installed and runs without any bugs or problems. Maybe I am just lucky, or fortunate with the apps I use.

 

[370zulu]

Its a problem with agile software development. Everything is more buggy these days. I ave been a developer with several large companies over the years that all adopted the agile development cycle that puts pressure on dev and especially QA on time to test things. Microsoft is doing the same things lately. Several of the big windows 10 updates are removing software, causing blue screens, deleting user's documents, and many more issues. And they released an update a couple months ago now that broke Azure, Office 365, and Teams for several hours.

Things just need to slow down like they were before. Wait 3-4 years for the next OS update like it was when Windows XP days. We do not need a new OS update twice a year for Windows. We really do not need a new macOS update every single year because by the time its stable enough, the next one is released that is super buggy.

Right on! It is the rush to be first to market with a new feature or capability. More like a perpetual beta cycle it appears to be. You are right, the same thing happens with most OS releases and with the mobile OS market as well. It has been accepted by the public at large and is not going to change unless the market changes their attitude towards opting into the latest. I wonder if the best choice would be to stay with what works well until it is a security risk, then make the best judgement you can of when to upgrade.

 

[Ethosik]

Personally for my usage, Big Sur installed and runs without any bugs or problems. Maybe I am just lucky, or fortunate with the apps I use.

The issue with Catalina was pretty much GPU related. It seemed to have a very big problem with my Vega GPU. Using an eGPU with a 5700XT caused the Kernel Panics to not occur again. I still tested every couple of weeks by disconnecting my eGPU and yep, Kernel Panic within 30 minutes idle.

Since 10.15.5 I have never connected my eGPU and never had another Kernel Panic until my Big Sur install, yesterday and today.

 

[Ethosik]

Right on! It is the rush to be first to market with a new feature or capability. More like a perpetual beta cycle it appears to be. You are right, the same thing happens with most OS releases and with the mobile OS market as well. It has been accepted by the public at large and is not going to change unless the market changes their attitude towards opting into the latest. I wonder if the best choice would be to stay with what works well until it is a security risk, then make the best judgement you can of when to upgrade.

Adobe software and other productivity software I use experience this problem too. Video Games as well. Not only that, companies like to cut costs by not hiring a large enough staff, so developers work 60+ hours a week sometimes 80. Getting overworked leads to bugs and mistakes. We are human after all.

 

[Andy2k]

Its a problem with agile software development. Everything is more buggy these days. I ave been a developer with several large companies over the years that all adopted the agile development cycle that puts pressure on dev and especially QA on time to test things. Microsoft is doing the same things lately. Several of the big windows 10 updates are removing software, causing blue screens, deleting user's documents, and many more issues. And they released an update a couple months ago now that broke Azure, Office 365, and Teams for several hours.

Things just need to slow down like they were before. Wait 3-4 years for the next OS update like it was when Windows XP days. We do not need a new OS update twice a year for Windows. We really do not need a new macOS update every single year because by the time its stable enough, the next one is released that is super buggy.

I agree wholeheartedly this is a problem with Microsoft and many other software vendors. The best thing that could happen is they tap the brakes and allow the it to mature. I don’t care if a new Mac I bought doesn’t have a new operating system. I will take function and stability over “new shiny” any day.