Apple photos High Sierra

[ColG]

In you overview of High Sierra you say -
In macOS High Sierra, there are expanded integrations with photo editing apps like Photoshop and Pixelmator. When you open a picture in a third-party photo editing app directly from Photos, all edits made are automatically saved in the Photos library.

If you are referring to the ability to "edit in" a third party program of choice then I can see no way to get the edited image to save back to Photos. I have tried with Topaz, Luminar, and Affinity. It certainly does not happen automatically.

Am I missing something?

 

[Alexander.Of.Oz]

I just tried it out with Aurora and it worked. I just had to choose the option to open it in Photo's through 'Share', instead of saving it.

I also just tried it out with Silver Efex Pro 2 and it worked when i clicked save, saving it back in Photo's. If you're going to do this though, make a copy first, as I think it edited the original!

In Affinity, you need to use the Share option, then select 'Photo's'.

 

[ColG]

I just tried it out with Aurora and it worked. I just had to choose the option to open it in Photo's through 'Share', instead of saving it.

I also just tried it out with Silver Efex Pro 2 and it worked when i clicked save, saving it back in Photo's. If you're going to do this though, make a copy first, as I think it edited the original!

In Affinity, you need to use the Share option, then select 'Photo's'.

Yes same with Luminar, but that is hardly an automatic save of the edit back to photos is it? And I bet it just appears in Photos as a stand alone original rather that an edit that relates to the original? What you are using I reckon is functionality built into those programs in the past rather than the new Edit In functionality in Photos.

 

[Alexander.Of.Oz]

Yes same with Luminar, but that is hardly an automatic save of the edit back to photos is it? And I bet it just appears in Photos as a stand alone original rather that an edit that relates to the original? What you are using I reckon is functionality built into those programs in the past rather than the new Edit In functionality in Photos.

To me, if I used Photo's, selecting 'Share' and then 'Photos' wouldn't be a big deal.

No, it doesn't appear as a standalone image, it slots it in with the originals.

Not sure what you mean by the last sentence. I clicked 'Edit In' and then selected the various apps from there, some like Aurora and Affinity had to be selected from Apps, as they weren't part of the initial list offered, but all of the NIK packages are.

 

[ColG]

It is not the Edit In part (opening an external editor) that is the problem, although it is hardly fluid. The report on MacRumors said the file would be saved automatically back to Photos. Clearly this is not true. It matters not if workarounds are ok with you, the fact still remains it is not automatic as advised. By the last sentence I mean that the ability of other editing apps to Share is historic and nothing to do with Photos new Edit In functionality. And the follow on to that is if an app does not have Share capabilities it cannot send things back.

When you say to slots in with the individuals you mean in the right place on the timeline etc.' yes? But does it give you the ability to revert to the pre-edited state or does it just create an edited duplicate of the original.

 

[Alexander.Of.Oz]

But does it give you the ability to revert to the pre-edited state or does it just create an edited duplicate of the original.

I was surprised that the edit I did in Silver Efex could be undone back in Photos!

 

[adrianlondon]

According to this article:
https://www.cultofmac.com/491722/photos-app-macos-high-sierra/

You should be able to simply select "Edit with" and then save, and it'll be back in Photos. It does, however, say "This seems to work with ..." so maybe apps need to be built to support this feature?

 

[ColG]

Now that is really surprising, given Nik is now unsupported software of some age As I understood it Nik sent the edit back to Photos automatically?
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According to this article:
https://www.cultofmac.com/491722/photos-app-macos-high-sierra/

You should be able to simply select "Edit with" and then save, and it'll be back in Photos. It does, however, say "This seems to work with ..." so maybe apps need to be built to support this feature?

Yes but saving in the apps I tried did not. It seems nobody really knows and everybody is reporting inaccurately. When you think about it, apps have never been able to just save in Photos. Fact remains MacRumors said the save is automatic and it is not. Accessing the external editor is not the problem.

 

[Alexander.Of.Oz]

Fact remains MacRumors said the save is automatic and it is not. Accessing the external editor is not the problem.

If you feel that strongly about it, report it to an admin! There's a button under every post, with a little exclamation mark, hit it and voice your annoyance. They may change the wording for you.

 

[ColG]

If you feel that strongly about it, report it to an admin! There's a button under every post, with a little exclamation mark, hit it and voice your annoyance. They may change the wording for you.

I started this thread by responding to the publications request for comments, so they can pick up on it themselves. I have assured myself that I am not missing something and of course will be careful what I believe when I read MacRumurs reports in future. Job done so far as I am concerned.

 

[Alexander.Of.Oz]

I started this thread by responding to the publications request for comments, so they can pick up on it themselves. I have assured myself that I am not missing something and of course will be careful what I believe when I read MacRumurs reports in future. Job done so far as I am concerned.

Is this the quote you are referring to?

In macOS High Sierra, there are expanded integrations with photo editing apps like Photoshop and Pixelmator. When you open a picture in a third-party photo editing app directly from Photos, all edits made are automatically be saved in the Photos library.

Taken from the macOS High Sierra: Everything We Know thread?

To me that reads that it works with Photoshop and Pixelmator currently, but can be integrated by other image editing programs in the future, but, that's just the way I read it.

I did find it to work with the NIK suite of add-ons though. Maybe Affinity and others will add whatever is needed to their software soon, so it does indeed work with their software too.

Even with this feature, I still won't use Photos. I might have a play with the new HEIF format images, just to see what the iPhone 8 plus can do with them as compared to using a third party app and saving images in RAW format.
[doublepost=1506512264][/doublepost]Or are you referring to this quote?

A number of popular third-party apps have already announced their support for Apple Photos, including Pixelmator Pro, Aurora HDR, Luminar, and Creative Kit. Several photo printers have also signed up, including Whitewall and Shutterfly. You can find more apps that support Photos by checking out the new dedicated section in the Mac App Store, which can also be accessed from within the Photos app.

Taken from the All the New Features in Apple's Photos App in macOS High Sierra thread.

With that one, it wouldn't surprise me to find that you need the updated versions of these apps, soon to be released, to utilise the feature. Because my changes to the images in Luminar and Aurora were not instantly updated in Photos. I had to share them back to Photos, where the changed images were then slotted in with the originals.

 

[ColG]

To me that reads that it works with Photoshop and Pixelmator currently, but can be integrated by other image editing programs in the future, but, that's just the way I read it.

You read it incorrectly, it does not even work with Pixelmator anyway, according to posts elsewhere. What this says is it works with the 'likes' of Photoshop, Pixelmator and not exclusively with at this time. It goes on to be far more general by saying that when you open and edit an image in a third party app it will be saved automatically to Photos. Poor reporting

Anyway thanks for your input. I think we are done here

 

[Alexander.Of.Oz]

You read it incorrectly, it does not even work with Pixelmator anyway, according to posts elsewhere. What this says is it works with the 'likes' of Photoshop, Pixelmator and not exclusively with at this time.

Actually, I'll repeat the quote for you:

there are expanded integrations with photo editing apps like Photoshop and Pixelmator.

That does not say or even infer other apps at all.

Now I think we are done!

 

[MrGIS]

You read it incorrectly, it does not even work with Pixelmator anyway, according to posts elsewhere. What this says is it works with the 'likes' of Photoshop, Pixelmator and not exclusively with at this time. It goes on to be far more general by saying that when you open and edit an image in a third party app it will be saved automatically to Photos. Poor reporting

Anyway thanks for your input. I think we are done here

Do you grind every axe this hard? It must be exhausting...

 

[robgendreau]

I use the Image>Edit With... command. So far, with what I've tested, upon invoking this the other application, say Silver Efex Pro, opens the image, I think a RAW if that's what the Master is, and then you edit. Upon saving in the external application, a TIFF is written back into Photos, and shows there. A JPEG is also generated, as a preview I imagine. If you wanna reedit, the TIFF would get nuked obviously. You can actually find the TiFF though in YourPhotoLibrary.photoslibrary/private/com.apple.Photos/ExternalEditSessions/[random-looking characters]/photo.tiff. Obviously you have to open the package to get in there.

I suspect this doesn't work with Pixelmator cuz it saves in a proprietary format. Silver Efex and Acorn just save to TIFF perhaps hence Photos can just import that. But I haven't tried that many external applications. Aside from those two, you can also use Edit With... with DxO FilmPack.

 

[joycemonkey]

In you overview of High Sierra you say -
In macOS High Sierra, there are expanded integrations with photo editing apps like Photoshop and Pixelmator. When you open a picture in a third-party photo editing app directly from Photos, all edits made are automatically saved in the Photos library.

If you are referring to the ability to "edit in" a third party program of choice then I can see no way to get the edited image to save back to Photos. I have tried with Topaz, Luminar, and Affinity. It certainly does not happen automatically.

Am I missing something?

Sounds good - do you know of an editing app that's far less expensive than photoshop, yet has some of the more basic editing functions? I'd like to check it out. "Photos" is rather poor. Thanks.

 

[v3rlon]

I have no trouble doing this.

You have to add the programs as extensions in system preferences.
Import photo (for me, they are almost all raw)
Go to edit
Select edit in “...”
Choose the program you want to edit in
Edit
Save
Now you have to save again in photos to commit the changes.

And done.
Works fine in
Luminar
Affinity
Pixelmator

I can’t get Portrait Pro to show up as an extension/editor though

 

[BJMRamage]

I have no trouble doing this.

You have to add the programs as extensions in system preferences.
Import photo (for me, they are almost all raw)
Go to edit
Select edit in “...”
Choose the program you want to edit in
Edit
Save
Now you have to save again in photos to commit the changes.

And done.
Works fine in
Luminar
Affinity
Pixelmator

I can’t get Portrait Pro to show up as an extension/editor though

Is the RAW file you send out to Edit replaced by the 3rd-party edited TIFF, or are there now two versions (original and edited) of the file/photo?

Thanks

 

[robgendreau]

Is the RAW file you send out to Edit replaced by the 3rd-party edited TIFF, or are there now two versions (original and edited) of the file/photo?

It's kinda confusing.

There are two ways to edit with something beside the built-in tools in Photos. One is via going to Edit (the button on the right top), which brings you to Photos' editing tools, and then hit the circle with "...", which brings you to Extensions. Choose one, and depending on what it is it will take a file from Photos and usually work with it using the extension's tools but within a Photos window, and save back to Photos into it's managed library. The second way is to use the menu choice "Edit with...". Just like with other programs, this takes you to a list of compatible outside programs, or "other," and you select say Photoshop and then Ps opens and you edit away. Then when you save the saved image shows in Photos, and is stored in the managed library.

RAW? More confusing. Usually using an extension what gets sent when you try to edit a raw that is in Photos.app depends on the extension. Luminar 2018 seems to send a JPG. Graphic Converter a tiff. RAW Power, however, gets the raw, and so does Affinity Develop (but not, I think, the other Affinity extensions). When using "edit with..." Photos seems to always send a TIFF (dunno if that can be changed in prefs).

When whatever you worked on gets sent back it's stored by Photos internally, even if you are using a referenced Photos library. So even though you obviously still have a RAW and the TIFF if you look at your RAW in the Finder you won't see any TIFF (or JPEG) pair next to it. If you wanna undo the changes, Photos just deletes the TIFF and shows you the original again.

So choose extensions with care if you wanna use something besides Photos' (Apples') raw conversion.

 

[BJMRamage]

It's kinda confusing.

wow, yes it is confusing.