Apple Silicon is Still a Pain to Use with Color Accurate Monitors

[sunny5]

Apple Silicon is Still a Pain to Use with Color Accurate Monitors

It's not the best experience.

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As a BenQ user, I still suffer from bugs and issues. I dont know how long I need to wait for fixes and I def gonna get a high end iMac with a monitor to remove any hustles.

 

[leman]

Yep, external displays are hard work. Apple GPU Team people were mentioning the challenges on twitter a while ago. There is still some hope that the situation will get better (as it seems that Apple display controller is it’s own dedicated processor that runs its own embedded system, so the software is updatable), at any rate, newer hardware should be better. I doubt they’ve redesigned the A15 display engine for the iPhone alone.

P.S. Did you try Monterey beta? I wonder if it brings fixes here.

 

[vir]

Buy the Apple display.

 

[leman]

Of course, the solution is to buy the Apple display.

Hardly a solution. You can’t really tell people to go buy a 5k display if they want acceptable user experience.

 

[borez]

The Mac M1 is a nightmare for someone doing color critical work. Most monitor manufacturers (with the exception of EIZO and BenQ) have yet to release their hardware calibration software. No thanks to the changes on how the M1 Mac recognizes displays, and with X-rite undergoing through ownership changes.

Am plagued with HDMI blackout issues at the moment. Hope MacOS Monterey resolves these issues.

 

[sunny5]

The Mac M1 is a nightmare for someone doing color critical work. Most monitor manufacturers (with the exception of EIZO and BenQ) have yet to release their hardware calibration software. No thanks to the changes on how the M1 Mac recognizes displays, and with X-rite undergoing through ownership changes.

Am plagued with HDMI blackout issues at the moment. Hope MacOS Monterey resolves these issues.

Nope, even BenQ and EIZO having trouble with Apple Silicon chip. There are several videos about it on Youtube so you can check them. My BenQ monitors aren't able to use 16 bit LUT due to errors and bugs with Apple Silicon version.

 

[UBS28]

I suppose Apple their own Pro XDR display should work fine though?

I’m not a video editor so I don’t know if Apple their Pro XDR is good enough for professional usage though. Just throwing out an idea.

 

[sunny5]

I suppose Apple their own Pro XDR display should work fine though?

I’m not a video editor so I don’t know if Apple their Pro XDR is good enough for professional usage though. Just throwing out an idea.

None of Apple displays supports hardware calibration.

 

[5425642]

The Mac M1 is a nightmare for someone doing color critical work. Most monitor manufacturers (with the exception of EIZO and BenQ) have yet to release their hardware calibration software. No thanks to the changes on how the M1 Mac recognizes displays, and with X-rite undergoing through ownership changes.

Am plagued with HDMI blackout issues at the moment. Hope MacOS Monterey resolves these issues.

What? Got lg 32” 4k ultrafine with my m1 perfect color deltae under 2

need to add that I’m running macOS 12 beta

 

[5425642]

None of Apple displays supports hardware calibration.

Lg and Asus does

 

[sunny5]

Lg and Asus does

Those are not Apple displays and they aren't well known for making professional hardware calibration monitors like BenQ and Eizo do. They are far from that.

 

[5425642]

Those are not Apple displays and they aren't well known for making professional hardware calibration monitors like BenQ and Eizo do. They are far from that.

LG does good displays I have the ultra fine 32” 4k (no apple) and after calibration deltae is under 0.5-2

 

[sunny5]

LG does good displays I have the ultra fine 32” 4k (no apple) and after calibration deltae is under 0.5-2

What are you talking about? BenQ and Eizo have their own calibration software while LG does not. You clearly dont know anything about it. Most color critical monitors have both hardware calibration feature and calibration software such as BenQ and Eizo. LG doesn't even make those kind of monitors ever. A true hardware calibration require a good software which LG lacks of.

Overall, LG isn't making a pro color centric monitor and they aren't known for that. Most people would use BenQ, NEC, or Eizo for that.

 

[5425642]

What are you talking about? BenQ and Eizo have their own calibration software while LG does not. You clearly dont know anything about it. Most color critical monitors have both hardware calibration feature and calibration software such as BenQ and Eizo. LG doesn't even make those kind of monitors ever. A true hardware calibration require a good software which LG lacks of.

Overall, LG isn't making a pro color centric monitor and they aren't known for that. Most people would use BenQ, NEC, or Eizo for that.

Google my friend.
LG Calibration Studio

 

[sunny5]

Google my friend.
LG Calibration Studio

LG Calibration Studio isn't near BenQ Color Pallete Master and Eizo ColorNavigator. Did you even read what I said properly? LG and ASUS AREN'T known for professional color centric monitors. Who even use LG Ultrafine for professional works?

None of Apple displays supports hardware calibration.

Also, you still failed to prove your point since LG is NOT a native Apple display.

 

[Daverich4]

Most monitor manufacturers (with the exception of EIZO and BenQ) have yet to release their hardware calibration software.

NEC has. They have a special version specifically for the M1.

 

[jmho]

None of Apple displays supports hardware calibration.

The Pro Display XDR added support in a later firmware (and I'm fairly sure its proper hardware calibration and not just a software profile), but it only supports 4 different spectroradiometers that cost about 3x more than the display itself.

 

[sunny5]

The Pro Display XDR added support in a later firmware (and I'm fairly sure its proper hardware calibration and not just a software profile), but it only supports 4 different spectroradiometers that cost about 3x more than the display itself.

Apple does not advertise the hardware calibration. They don't even have their own calibration software so it's quite meaningless.

 

[jmho]

Apple does not advertise the hardware calibration. They don't even have their own calibration software so it's quite meaningless.

Pro Display XDR Calibrator 1.0.0 - Apple Support

Every Pro Display XDR undergoes state-of-the-art factory calibration with laboratory grade instrumentation.

support.apple.com

By all means say that Apple's calibration software sucks and that their hardware probably isn't as good as Eizo, but don't lie.

 

[sunny5]

Pro Display XDR Calibrator 1.0.0 - Apple Support

Every Pro Display XDR undergoes state-of-the-art factory calibration with laboratory grade instrumentation.

support.apple.com

By all means say that Apple's calibration software sucks and that their hardware probably isn't as good as Eizo, but don't lie.

Still sucks. I dont think they support 14~16 bit LUT.

 

[borez]

@sunny5 fairly surprised at some of your responses, so let's tackle them one by one:

Nope, even BenQ and EIZO having trouble with Apple Silicon chip. There are several videos about it on Youtube so you can check them. My BenQ monitors aren't able to use 16 bit LUT due to errors and bugs with Apple Silicon version.

What BenQ monitor are you using, and what errors are you getting? ICC profiles or errors uploading hardware LUTs? I don't track Benq that closely but from ArtisRight videos on YouTube, BenQ has released updated apps. All of them are based against i1Profiler, which is also updated to support M1.

Also, EIZO is one of the earliest folks to provide full M1 support. See attached. Got friends on CS2740, no issues. https://www.eizoglobal.com/support/compatibility/pc/mac/apple-m1/

However, note that Big Sur has got a bug limiting output to YPbPr, see attached for a hotfix. Also, Mac has issues loading full table based profiles. If you use DisplayCAL you'll know. https://www.reddit.com/r/macmini/comments/nnka3a

LG Calibration Studio isn't near BenQ Color Pallete Master and Eizo ColorNavigator. Did you even read what I said properly? LG and ASUS AREN'T known for professional color centric monitors. Who even use LG Ultrafine for professional works?


Also, you still failed to prove your point since LG is NOT a native Apple display.

You need to hold back on flawed arguments. First, BenQ is no where close to pro grade, only EIZOs and NECs can claim that. Pro panels provide good display uniformity that BenQ monitors can't match. Besides, BenQ monitors are using aRGB LCD panels from LG Display.

27" BenQ SW271 - Specifications

Specifications of BenQ SW271. Display: 27 in, IPS, W-LED, 3840 x 2160 pixels, Viewing angles (H/V): 178 ° / 178 °, Brightness: 350 cd/m², Static contrast: 1000 : 1, Dynamic contrast: 20000000 : 1, Refresh rate: 60 Hz, sRGB: 100 %, Adobe RGB: 99 %, Dimensions: 613.8 x 368.9 x 62.65 mm, Weight...

www.displayspecifications.com

Again, I don't use LG monitors but yes, they do have LG Calibration Studio. Which is again based off X-rite software (I think).

NEC has. They have a special version specifically for the M1.

You're right, my bad. Somehow I've left out NEC mentally as their monitors are hard to source.

Still sucks. I dont think they support 14~16 bit LUT.

Never used that, never will. But it's indeed an overhyped monitor for the price point.

 

[sunny5]

What BenQ monitor are you using, and what errors are you getting? ICC profiles or errors uploading hardware LUTs? I don't track Benq that closely but from ArtisRight videos on YouTube, BenQ has released updated apps. All of them are based against i1Profiler, which is also updated to support M1.

Also, EIZO is one of the earliest folks to provide full M1 support. See attached. Got friends on CS2740, no issues. https://www.eizoglobal.com/support/compatibility/pc/mac/apple-m1/

However, note that Big Sur has got a bug limiting output to YPbPr, see attached for a hotfix. Also, Mac has issues loading full table based profiles. If you use DisplayCAL you'll know.

There are YouTube videos about you so you better check it. Full support doesn't mean it has no issues. You just admit that Apple Silicon Mac still has an issue by mentioning limited output.

You need to hold back on flawed arguments. First, BenQ is no where close to pro grade, only EIZOs and NECs can claim that. Pro panels provide good display uniformity that BenQ monitors can't match. Besides, BenQ monitors are using aRGB LCD panels from LG Display.

A lot of photographers using BenQ so you cant ignore it. Also, LG is no where near BenQ.