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http://www.appleinsider.com/article...id_in_enterprise_adoption_ipad_dominates.html

http://www.marketwire.com/press-rel...nals-choosing-iphone-over-android-1513853.htm

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Apple's iPhone trumps Android in enterprise adoption, iPad dominates

By Slash Lane
Published: 11:20 AM EST

A new survey of ActiveSync-based smartphones in the enterprise found that Apple's iPhone is the market leader with a 61 percent share and growing, while Google Android owns just 17 percent.

The business user data was released this week by Intermedia, the world's largest Microsoft Exchange hosting provider with 320,000 premium hosted Exchange e-mail accounts. In addition a strong lead for the iPhone, the data also shows market dominance for the iPad, with a 99.8 percent share of ActiveSync-based tablets.

Apple and Google were found to be the leaders in enterprise smartphone operating systems, while the remaining players -- Windows Phone, Nokia Symbian and Palm's webOS -- accounted for the 22 percent of platforms in the "other" category.

Intermedia's numbers also show that Apple's share of the enterprise continues to grow. In April, the iPhone remained the number one device, and even increased its share to 64 percent among new devices. Android's share also climbed to 33 percent for the month, showing that both platforms are making gains at the expense of competitors.

iPad share continued to remain dominant in April as well, with close to 100 percent of new tablet activations being iPads. Intermedia said it typically sees about 300 new iPads activated in its service per month, but that number jumped to over 900 in March and more than 1,200 in April.


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"Professionals want to sync and manage their business email, contacts, and calendars across their computers, smartphones, and tablets," said Jonathan McCormick, chief operating officer of Intermedia. "They also want to use the brands of their choice. Supporting these options can strain an IT department accustomed to managing only one type of device -- or an entrepreneur with no IT staff to help with set up. Email services like Intermedia's deliver these productivity capabilities with the click of a mouse and back them up with 24x7 support from certified professionals."


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Apple regularly boasts about the success that it has had with the iPhone in enterprise, as well as the quick adoption the iPad has found in the corporate world. In its last quarterly earnings conference call, the company revealed that 88 percent of the Fortune 500 are testing or deploying the iPhone, while 75 percent are utilizing the iPad.

Apple Chief Operating Officer Tim Cook also said that the success of the iPad and iPhone have created a "halo effect" for the Mac. As companies have made iOS-based devices a part of their employees' available tools, they have also begun buying Macs for corporate use.

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Surprising, but then again, not really.

In addition

http://www.asymco.com/2011/05/13/ascent-of-the-entrants-a-tale-of-revenue-migration/

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Rodimus Prime

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and yet it still pails when compared with the blackberry.

I will say not really surprising given enterprise generally slower adaption rate of new hardware and Android is not quite to that point in giving server side controls but it is getting there and I am going to guess it is closer rather than farther. Add that in that companies could in theory easily get some custom flavor of the OS for their phones in the end that they have more control over it would go even higher.
 

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and yet it still pails when compared with the blackberry.

RIM is on a sharp downward trend in the consumer sector with nothing in the tank at the moment. Their tech is beginning to look like something from the last century. Even worse, their Playbook experiment is a total failure. One would have expected much, much better from RIM, but just look at the comments from their CEOs. It's as if they're living in a completely different reality. Like they never stepped out from 2004. RIM is in decline, no question.

RIM's days in the enterprise are numbered as well.

If you want to look at a completely arrogant, delusional company, look no further than RIM.
 

Rodimus Prime

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RIM is on a sharp downward trend in the consumer sector with nothing in the tank at the moment.

RIM's days in the enterprise are numbered as well. If you want a completely arrogant, delusional company, look no further than RIM.

I believe RIM has had increasing sells numbers year to year just as fast as the market is growing. Enterprise it is still growing strong for them. Also you really should look at Apple for that list they are the worst but to see that requires you taking off your Apple blinders.
 

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IAlso you really should look at Apple for that list they are the worst but to see that requires you taking off your Apple blinders.

Apple's arrogant, certainly. They can back it up. But delusional? There are about 314.88 billion reasons why they've been the clearest thinking, most prepared and downright visionary tech company for the last decade. That's kind of a prerequisite for increasing you share value by over 2800% in ten years. It's pretty astounding. And Apple usually does the exact opposite of everyone else in tech. To operate like that and lead the industry in innovation, you'd better have a solid philosophy when it comes to the business of making tech for PEOPLE, and a sound strategy when it comes to execution.

Apple is doing pretty much everything right. So much so that a lot of people still don't quite understand how they do it, though the company is commonly used as a business case study in effective management.

You don't seem to like anyone actually declaring it, though. I don't see what argument you might have against what is just an admission of facts. It is what it is. :confused:
 
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I'm confused. The topic started with figures about market share in a handful of enterprises, but now *LTD* is talking about consumers and share price.

:confused:
 

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Give it time. History will repeat yet again....

The Apple of 2011 is an entirely different beast. This isn't the 90s. What Apple couldn't get away with back then, they can do easily now with more than an even chance of success. The problem in the 90s was not business model. Closed licensing and a controlled ecosystem was a wise move. It was and still is the only way to assure the best possible end user experience. Open, universal licensing never was and never will be conducive to that. So you can forget the Windows model. Good for making money and pushing volume, but downright lousy in every other possible way.

The problem at Apple was simple, and is exactly the problem at MS now (for years now, actually): chronic mismanagement. The people at the top in MS shouldn't be there. Although the condition over in Redmond may be terminal. Replacing Ballmer - employee # 30 - with some guy next in line who's absorbed the culture at MS probably won't cut it.
 
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The Apple of 2011 is an entirely different beast. This isn't the 90s. What Apple couldn't get away with back then, they can do easily now with more than an even chance of success. The problem in the 90s was not business model. Closed licensing and a controlled ecosystem was a wise move. It was and still is the only way to assure the best possible end user experience. Open, universal licensing never was and never will be conducive to that. So you can forget the Windows model. Good for making money and pushing volume, but downright lousy in every other possible way.

The problem at Apple was simple, and is exactly the problem at MS now (for years now, actually): chronic mismanagement. The people at the top in MS shouldn't be there. Although the condition over in Redmond may be terminal. Replacing Ballmer - employee # 30 - with some guy next in line probably won't cut it.

This has nothing to do with who is employed at either company or what era the company is in. It is about business model. Since Microsoft and Android licence out their software to a lot of hardware manufacturers, they are bound to be the 'winners' in the long run.

Not saying that either company or the products they make are better. It is just what happens and will continue to happen.
 

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This has nothing to do with who is employed at either company or what era the company is in. It is about business model. Since Microsoft and Android licence out their software to a lot of hardware manufacturers, they are bound to be the 'winners' in the long run.

Apple has shown us over the last decade that open uncontrolled licensing isn't "winning." It's just flooding the market with a lot of generic tech that runs bad, looks bad, or both. MS and Google are both competing for cheap, commodity-vendor status. Racing to the bottom isn't winning. Peddling large volume to the masses while some other leaner, meaner, faster competitor is running circles around you in terms of profits, mindshare and innovation isn't winning.

Unfortunately, there seem to be different definitions of winning. You happen to espouse the weakest one. It's also the same one over at Dell, Acer, LG, MS, ZTE, etc.
 

Rodimus Prime

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I'm confused. The topic started with figures about market share in a handful of enterprises, but now *LTD* is talking about consumers and share price.

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yeah that is what got me as well.

I know my first response was directed at enterprise and did nothing with consumer and LTD responded back with a consumer one. My only guess is because it complete showed how off the article was and left out huge piece of information.

RIM is an enterprise company first consumer 2nd. The blackberry is designed for enterprise. Yes they have increased their consumer side as well but they are not going away from their bread and butter of enterprise.

The iPhone I would call an OK enterprise phone. It can do what is needed but compared to blackberry and BES it just lags.

I see long term iPhone not holding on to it enterprise lead and will be losing ground quickly. I easily see Windows Phone and Android stealing away the market share there. Android because it Active sync is only getting better with time and at some point I can easy see companies getting their own personal flavor Android OS for their phones. Something that can not be done with any of the others.

The 99% tablet number enterprise I call worthless. Easy to get that high when you are the only player on the market. Now that more are coming out I expect it to drop like a rock.
 

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Except that the tablet market is nothing like the smartphone market.

The iPad will dominate for the next 3 years at least.
 

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Except that the tablet market is nothing like the smartphone market.

The iPad will dominate for the next 3 years at least.

No, its exactly like the iPhone market. You'll see many manufacturers produce many units selling more tablets then the iPad because people enjoy freedom and the opportunity to choose a tablet that suits their needs.

Apple is enjoying great success with the iPad at the moment because they are the only game in town. As more and more android tablets hit the streets you'll start seeing a shift in market share
 

Rodimus Prime

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No, its exactly like the iPhone market. You'll see many manufacturers produce many units selling more tablets then the iPad because people enjoy freedom and the opportunity to choose a tablet that suits their needs.

Apple is enjoying great success with the iPad at the moment because they are the only game in town. As more and more android tablets hit the streets you'll start seeing a shift in market share

yep. Right now we are seeing 2nd gen Honeycomb tablets hitting the market. We have the first gen RIM tablet and soon the Palm tablet are going to hit.

I expect something made off the WP OS is going to hit as well in the future.
 

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yep. Right now we are seeing 2nd gen Honeycomb tablets hitting the market. We have the first gen RIM tablet and soon the Palm tablet are going to hit.

I expect something made off the WP OS is going to hit as well in the future.

I dont think a Windows Phone tablet is coming. Microsoft seems really uninterested in doing that. It seems they want to beat the market with full Windows 8 tablets that can do more than run ****** apps rather than producing a me-too product.
 

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I dont think a Windows Phone tablet is coming. Microsoft seems really uninterested in doing that. It seems they want to beat the market with full Windows 8 tablets

This has already been proven to be a strategy for failure. This is what MS had originally tried to do.

There is a reason why the iPad is regarded as *the* optimal tablet among several other tablets. Note that the other tablets don't use a traditional desktop OS, either. The iPad has a "full" operating system. It just isn't a traditional OS designed for desktops and then clumsily shoehorned into a tablet. It's designed and optimized for the nature of the hardware and touch interactivity. It's so effective, in fact, that OS X - a "traditional" desktop OS - is taking cues from it.
 

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I can already imagine iPads used for inventory control, as a controller unit for machinery(communicating commands and receiving status through some kind of HTTP service), digital medical database viewer, the possibilities are endless.
 

maflynn

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It seems they want to beat the market with full Windows 8 tablets that can do more than run ****** apps rather than producing a me-too product.

Unless there is some serious UI changes for the tablet I think it will be just as successful as the other win tablets. I bet MS is still hung up on the stylus for the tablet as well
 

Rodimus Prime

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Unless there is some serious UI changes for the tablet I think it will be just as successful as the other win tablets. I bet MS is still hung up on the stylus for the tablet as well

That is one issue I have with a lot of modern tablets like iPad and the Honeycomb tablets is you can not use a stylus on them at all.
There are just certain things that a stylus is better than using your finger. If you want to do a quick drawing for example a stylus is a heck of a lot better. Write a quick note again stylus. Put arrows on a document or circle things again stylus.

Navigating around the OS well that is better handled by the multi-touch.

My biggest problem with the iPad is the OS is still just a blown up version of iOS for the iPhone. In the tablet world long run that is just not going to work. What I have seen of Honeycomb is it address some of those issues and the OS is designed more for a tablet and a tablets increased size so as a tablet OS design it is better. Still have some maturing to do but it is much better of a design from a starting point.

Both desktop and phone OS do not work well for a tablet. Apple with with the phone OS which is better than desktop OS for a tablet but still not good. Tablets need a different OS design.
 

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My biggest problem with the iPad is the OS is still just a blown up version of iOS for the iPhone.

That's precisely why it's so successful. It's why it works so well for a tablet. It's deliberate.


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In the tablet world long run that is just not going to work.

I'm pretty sure Apple knows exactly what's going to work "long run." They're the ones who created this segment in the first place. Their old, dated OS on an old dated an iPhone 3GS *still* outsells the competition today. I'd be more worried about the competition finding their footing before the iPad runs away with the entire show. Because what we've seen from the also-rans so far - since January 2010 - has been extremely weak. In fact, we've seen some godawful junk from them. And they've had over a year to examine the iPad. Some of them have even admitted that they had to go back and do a redesign, effectively admitting their user base were a bunch of suckers to buy into their experiment. The supposed major players who are in fact expected to perform have made a very poor showing, especially RIM. Apple can rest assured that all they need to do is keep doing what they're doing and they'll have the entire segment locked up.

The only way the competition can hope to stay relevant is to do what they've been doing on the mobile side: license out their OS to everyone and their dog, flood the market with 50+ models and count on cheap Chinese vendors to push major volume in order to pad their share numbers.
 
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Rodimus Prime

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That's precisely why it's so successful. It's why it works so well for a tablet. It's deliberate......

and you didn't get it.
Compare a blown up phone OS to a desktop OS for a tablet the phone OS is much better than the desktop OS but at the same token it leaves a lot to be desired.
Tablets long run will need a different OS design from Phone to take advantage of the larger screen at set up. Apple complete failed to do this and just scaled up iOS instead of making something that is really truly different. From what I have seen of Honeycomb it layout has the penitential to really take advantage of being a dedicated tablet OS.

Just because Apple made the market so big does not main the OS design is the best choice. Everyone else was trying desktop OS on tablet design and clearly that was not working and Apple showed that. But at the same time Blown up phone OS is clearly not the best choice either. It needs to be something inbetween.
 

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No, its exactly like the iPhone market. You'll see many manufacturers produce many units selling more tablets then the iPad because people enjoy freedom and the opportunity to choose a tablet that suits their needs.

Apple is enjoying great success with the iPad at the moment because they are the only game in town. As more and more android tablets hit the streets you'll start seeing a shift in market share

I disagree. The tablet market and phone market will not be the same. I can see the iPad dominating the tablet market just like the dominate the mp3 market. Unless manufacturers can come with a lower prices (most can't or haven't yet) people are going to keep choosing the iPad over them.

Android market share success has a lot to do with manufacturers giving phones away free on contract and BOGOF deals. As of right now nobody is buying tablets on contracts.
 

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and you didn't get it.
Compare a blown up phone OS to a desktop OS for a tablet the phone OS is much better than the desktop OS but at the same token it leaves a lot to be desired.
Tablets long run will need a different OS design from Phone to take advantage of the larger screen at set up. Apple complete failed to do this and just scaled up iOS instead of making something that is really truly different. From what I have seen of Honeycomb it layout has the penitential to really take advantage of being a dedicated tablet OS.

Just because Apple made the market so big does not main the OS design is the best choice. Everyone else was trying desktop OS on tablet design and clearly that was not working and Apple showed that. But at the same time Blown up phone OS is clearly not the best choice either. It needs to be something inbetween.

Apple will continue to develop iOS. The things you ask for will probably appear in one form or another. These devices will eventually be ubiquitous. Safe to assume the functionality that consumers want will be there. We've already come such a long way in only a few years.
 

neiltc13

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Apple will continue to develop iOS. The things you ask for will probably appear in one form or another. These devices will eventually be ubiquitous. Safe to assume the functionality that consumers want will be there. We've already come such a long way in only a few years.

As usual with Apple though, we're talking about "eventually" or "never" here and because the OS is so locked down, you can't rely on third parties to provide the functionality you want either.

How long did we wait for MMS? Copy and paste? Widgets? A decent notification system? Flash support in the browser?
 
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