Are All I5 Imac’s The Same Speed ?

[kangaruu]

Can anyone give me an idea how much faster a modern 2017 27”IMac i5 quad core 3.4/8 is as compared to an older generation say 2013 27”IMac i5 quad core 3.2 in real terms ??
This will b a music machine only . You can pick up an older machine for considerably less , update the HD for an SSD , max out the RAM .And yu can’t be far off attaining the same level of excellence for a third of the price . Please people am I wrong ??

 

[26139]

Can anyone give me an idea how much faster a modern 2017 27”IMac i5 quad core 3.4/8 is as compared to an older generation say 2013 27”IMac i5 quad core 3.2 in real terms ??
This will b a music machine only . You can pick up an older machine for considerably less , update the HD for an SSD , max out the RAM .And yu can’t be far off attaining the same level of excellence for a third of the price . Please people am I wrong ??

Making music or playing music?

 

[kangaruu]

Making music or playing music?

Making . Logic . Appoggee .

 

[26139]

Making . Logic . Appoggee .

You're not wrong.

You'll get small percentage gains with the new model, though the built-in SSD is usually much faster than most aftermarket options.

 

[kangaruu]

You're not wrong.

You'll get small percentage gains with the new model, though the built-in SSD is usually much faster than most aftermarket options.

[doublepost=1537885823][/doublepost]Thanks man . I’ve been wandering about that , the fastest Ssd’s I can find are generally read/write 500mb/s yet Apple quotes speeds way way above this ? How is that possible ?what are they doing in there ?!??

 

[dukeblue219]

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Thanks man . I’ve been wandering about that , the fastest Ssd’s I can find are generally read/write 500mb/s yet Apple quotes speeds way way above this ? How is that possible ?what are they doing in there ?!??

You're not looking at the right SSDs I think. There's SATA SSDs that are basically drop-in replacements for mechanical HDDs, and then there's NVME/PCIe SSDs which are another order of magnitude faster. For example, the Samsung 970 Pro has an advertised read speed of 3500MB/s and write speed of 2700MB/s.

It's not really the flash itself that's limiting the slower ones, but the SATA-III protocol is limited to about 600 MB/s.

 

[kangaruu]

You're not looking at the right SSDs I think. There's SATA SSDs that are basically drop-in replacements for mechanical HDDs, and then there's NVME/PCIe SSDs which are another order of magnitude faster. For example, the Samsung 970 Pro has an advertised read speed of 3500MB/s and write speed of 2700MB/s.

It's not really the flash itself that's limiting the slower ones, but the SATA-III protocol is limited to about 600 MB/s.

 

[26139]

You're not looking at the right SSDs I think. There's SATA SSDs that are basically drop-in replacements for mechanical HDDs, and then there's NVME/PCIe SSDs which are another order of magnitude faster. For example, the Samsung 970 Pro has an advertised read speed of 3500MB/s and write speed of 2700MB/s.

It's not really the flash itself that's limiting the slower ones, but the SATA-III protocol is limited to about 600 MB/s.

Can those NVME/PCIe SSDs work as SATA HD replacements?
I've always assumed not, though I wasn't willing to look very hard.

 

[kangaruu]

your totally right - thanks for that explanation - so would the ssd part of a ‘fusion’ drive (as in 2013/14 iMac )be in effect faster than swapping a Sata Hd for a sata - type ssd ?? Is it just new generation that hit those speeds ? They are very desirable. Thanks so much u guys . This is excellent

 

[26139]

your totally right - thanks for that explanation - so would the ssd part of a ‘fusion’ drive (as in 2013/14 iMac )be in effect faster than swapping a Sata Hd for a sata - type ssd ?? Is it just new generation that hit those speeds ? They are very desirable. Thanks so much u guys . This is excellent

I doubt it: http://barefeats.com/imac5k1.html

 

[kangaruu]

I doubt it: http://barefeats.com/imac5k1.html

Excellent link/article 26139 . Many many Thanks . Really poor speeds (comparatively) . Will definitely be using that thunderbolt port ! Flash clearly the way to go ... but still the possibility of the ThunderBolt - LaCie speeds : Awesome ( I havnt looked at price yet ... though )

Are SATA Hd’s even worst then ? Things are really speeding up : Gr8 news . I need deeper pockets !!!
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Excellent link/article 26139 . Many many Thanks . Really poor speeds (comparatively) . Will definitely be using that thunderbolt port ! Flash clearly the way to go ... but still the possibility of the ThunderBolt - LaCie speeds : Awesome ( I havnt looked at price yet ... though )

Are SATA Hd’s even worst then ? Things are really speeding up : Gr8 news . I need deeper pockets !!!

Thanks 26139 & Dukeblue219 . Feeling much clearer about things and my choices . Excellent work . Ace

 

[26139]

Are SATA Hd’s even worst then ?

Oh yes.

SSD with Thunderbolt external seems like the best way to go, for me.
I'm working with an SSD and a USB 3 connected HD right now and it feels like I'm driving a sports car that suddenly has a trailer attached to it.

But like you, I also need deeper pockets.

 

[kangaruu]

Oh yes.

SSD with Thunderbolt external seems like the best way to go, for me.
I'm working with an SSD and a USB 3 connected HD right now and it feels like I'm driving a sports car that suddenly has a trailer attached to it.

But like you, I also need deeper pockets.

[doublepost=1537924796][/doublepost]Excellent work arounds !

 

[kangaruu]

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Excellent work arounds !

Thunderbolt Ports . There are now 1.2.3 different types / updates . The slowest (1) is still 2gb/s ! Surely that’s fast enough !

 

[Candykane75]

Stop giving bad advice , because you do not need super insane SD speeds , you will hardly know differences between a good sata SSD and apple insane SSD in normal day to day stuff.

Any Imac i5 from Mid-2011 and later will do fine.
just make sure you have 8GB ram and just pop in a nice SSD with a sensor cable from macsales and you will be fine.

But if you are on a real budget and want to go real cheap machine just for your music you can do it for just a few dollars

A Power Mac G5 7,3 with Logic Pro 7,
can handle 95 tracks running with out braking a sweat and they cost next to nothing you can find them any where for few bucks
they are easy upgradable . In my country you buy them for 20-40 Euro. Just stay away of the water cooled ones

here are some intel benchmarks results that dont say any thing.
http://logicbenchmarks.com/benchmark-results/


system specs for Appoggee then you see this you know any mac will do
System Requirements

• Computer: Mac, with an Intel or PowerPC G5 processor
• Memory: 1 GB minimum of installed RAM, 2 GB recommended

 

[kangaruu]

Stop giving bad advice , because you do not need super insane SD speeds , you will hardly know differences between a good sata SSD and apple insane SSD in normal day to day stuff.

Any Imac i5 from Mid-2011 and later will do fine.
just make sure you have 8GB ram and just pop in a nice SSD with a sensor cable from macsales and you will be fine.

But if you are on a real budget and want to go real cheap machine just for your music you can do it for just a few dollars

A Power Mac G5 7,3 with Logic Pro 7,
can handle 95 tracks running with out braking a sweat and they cost next to nothing you can find them any where for few bucks
they are easy upgradable . In my country you buy them for 20-40 Euro. Just stay away of the water cooled ones

here are some intel benchmarks results that dont say any thing.
http://logicbenchmarks.com/benchmark-results/


system specs for Appoggee then you see this you know any mac will do
System Requirements

• Computer: Mac, with an Intel or PowerPC G5 processor
• Memory: 1 GB minimum of installed RAM, 2 GB recommended

[doublepost=1538002385][/doublepost]Thanks CandyCane , your right in that old systems perform really well and are cheap . I’m coming from Logic 8 on a 2008 MacBook Pro . Made a lot of music !! Awesome machine . Until something goes wrong and your suddenly wide open , unsupported and uncurrent . I’ve swapped out my hd for an ssd begun again but still ... I have this feeling that although the constant update thing is for me very annoying and costly ... that’s its good to stay a little closer to current than I presently am ... for when things go wrong . All the advice has been really help ful ! I’ve learnt a lot . I’m looking for a midway point where I’m ‘in’ with the new wave of machines , they’re not too old and hopefully reliable and not too silly expensive !

Is that track count ... in the table ? I got my old system up again today ... heaven and peace restored ... then a panic kernel ! Is there an end ?!

I am horribly dependent on my Mac ! I’m heading for that 2013/14 area I think . Hopefully less likely to have hardware issues that I can’t fix or our motherboard expensive . Good thinking ?

Ps the thought of having a crazy fast thunderbolt ssd drive is kind a sexy too right ?!?! Surely you’d feel that sparky ness in the system wouldn’t you ?

But yes . It’s good to cut away the ******** to the day to day : making music and hopefully fewer problems !! Thnkuuu for ure input . Lovin all the advice here
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Stop giving bad advice , because you do not need super insane SD speeds , you will hardly know differences between a good sata SSD and apple insane SSD in normal day to day stuff.

Any Imac i5 from Mid-2011 and later will do fine.
just make sure you have 8GB ram and just pop in a nice SSD with a sensor cable from macsales and you will be fine.

But if you are on a real budget and want to go real cheap machine just for your music you can do it for just a few dollars

A Power Mac G5 7,3 with Logic Pro 7,
can handle 95 tracks running with out braking a sweat and they cost next to nothing you can find them any where for few bucks
they are easy upgradable . In my country you buy them for 20-40 Euro. Just stay away of the water cooled ones

here are some intel benchmarks results that dont say any thing.
http://logicbenchmarks.com/benchmark-results/


system specs for Appoggee then you see this you know any mac will do
System Requirements

• Computer: Mac, with an Intel or PowerPC G5 processor
• Memory: 1 GB minimum of installed RAM, 2 GB recommended

Is that Your system ???

 

[propower]

IME...
SATA SSD Macs have all been very good performers. HDD and Fusion Macs even to this day are not the first choice for Musicians - especially for those that use lots of VIs and even more so for those that edit videos as well. Starting in 2013 with the MP - PCI SSDs came with 2X to 3X the speed. They hit ~6 to 10X the older SSD speeds in the last few years. This makes a significant difference to boot times, program loads, plugin loads, and a very big difference in video editing. So all these matter to a some extent. (I have owned all these systems over time - primary use - Music production and Music videos).

Is a 3.7GHz CPU from 2013 as fast as a 2017 3.7GHz CPU? Yes - but for musicians - not quite the right question. again IME - Every generation of CPUs has gotten only slightly faster but is able to run far larger Logic ProX sessions. All still got the job done - but newer has always been better. Part of this is that the CPU is in a whole ecosystem of parts. Each piece improves as time goes on.

If I were looking in the used market though - 2015 with PCIe SSD option installed is where I would start...

PS - Logic 8 is great I am sure. Logic X today would be am enormous change and give huge increase in built in plugs and VIs.

 

[kangaruu]

IME...
SATA SSD Macs have all been very good performers. HDD and Fusion Macs even to this day are not the first choice for Musicians - especially for those that use lots of VIs and even more so for those that edit videos as well. Starting in 2013 with the MP - PCI SSDs came with 2X to 3X the speed. They hit ~6 to 10X the older SSD speeds in the last few years. This makes a significant difference to boot times, program loads, plugin loads, and a very big difference in video editing. So all these matter to a some extent. (I have owned all these systems over time - primary use - Music production and Music videos).

Is a 3.7GHz CPU from 2013 as fast as a 2017 3.7GHz CPU? Yes - but for musicians - not quite the right question. again IME - Every generation of CPUs has gotten only slightly faster but is able to run far larger Logic ProX sessions. All still got the job done - but newer has always been better. Part of this is that the CPU is in a whole ecosystem of parts. Each piece improves as time goes on.

If I were looking in the used market though - 2015 with PCIe SSD option installed is where I would start...

PS - Logic 8 is great I am sure. Logic X today would be am enormous change and give huge increase in built in plugs and VIs.

Thanks Propower , I hear you , first on Logic ... yes I am committed to change ! I called around and it seems pretty soon I’ll forget the old days !!

Yes looking at 2015 . Hopefully 3.5 ghz ( might have to b 3.2/4) 5k Retina 27” Flash

Propower Is the PCIe connection in those iMacs or can it be swapped out ?

 

[kangaruu]

Thanks so much you guys . I bought the 2014/15 3.5 GHz i5 27” IMac with flash drive and 16g Ram Retina Screen . Running logic 10.4 . I have the remote app on the phone and iPad to check levels etc while recording . The FW duet still works find with the thunderbolt converter . The power and silence is ridiculous. Still getting to grips with some of the Logic 10 stuff like changing the mute architecture , which seems to mute tracks not regions and the colours , love the group track deletes , pan’s . Love the remote app — tube eq/ comp arnt bad either . Working well . Still a bit nervy - miss the way the sample edit window works and there being less to look at . Changed that very dark grey to slightly lighter ! Increased text size of fades window . Very Happy . Special thanks to Propower and to all who helped ! Thnku . ( next venture will b a Macbookpro thunderbolt 3 and a Uad arrow ! - check that out )