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gkarris

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Interesting article. Actually, I'm writing this on a new Netbook which replaced my old one that just died. I'm using it more than my Nexus and iPad 2. I guess the best designs always win out... :eek:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/20/tech/mobile/hip-flip-phones/index.html

Flip phones are hip again
By Doug Gross, CNN
updated 4:22 PM EST, Thu November 20, 2014 | Filed under: Mobile

(CNN) -- Hipsters, rejoice. Next time you ride your fixed-gear bicycle to the the thrift store, where you find a vintage, grease-stained mechanic's shirt that matches your Rollie Fingers mustache and Grizzly Adams beard, there's an edgy, if technologically sub-optimal, way to tell your friends about it.

Use a flip phone.

In an age of the iPhone 6 Plus and massive Android phablets, flip phones are inexplicably making a comeback.

No less an arbiter of cool than Vogue magazine editor Anna Wintour has apparently dumped her iPhone in favor of a flipper. Indianapolis Colts quarterback Andrew Luck, actress Kate Beckinsale and even Rihanna are just a few of the celebrities spotted proudly brandishing the famous piece of paleo-technology.

And, believe it or not, "dumb phones" aren't exactly the elusive unicorn that some of us think they are.

As of January, 56% of American adults owned smartphones, compared to a total of 90% who had a cellphone of some kind, according to the Pew Research Internet Project. Among millennials age 18-29, an overwhelming 83% of those who owned cellphones had a smartphone, but that leaves the other 17% who keep their mobile life more basic.

The hinged, snap-shut "flipper" form factor was originally introduced to the public in 1982 by laptop manufacturer GriD with its Compass computer.

Motorola, perhaps the king of flip phones with its Razr line, introduced the clamshell style in 1996 with its StarTAC phone (which, appropriately enough, was re-released for nostalgic techies in 2010).

Is this really all about going for retro, hipster street cred? There is, at times, a mystifying aspect of "cool" that centers around eschewing modern convenience for vintage ... well ... inconvenience.

Writing on typewriters? Check. Racing high-wheel bicycles from the 1880s? Yes. Playing baseball with the rules and equipment of the 1860s? Absolutely.

But there are obviously some more practical reasons some people, including millennials, go flip.

For some, it's about simplifying and uncluttering in a 24/7 plugged-in society.

"It just seemed like it would be better for my addled brain than a smartphone," 26-year-old Angelica Baker, a tutor and writer, told TIME. "Personally I'm too scattered and unfocused to handle email and Facebook on my phone."

Baker swapped out her Droid for her mom's retired flip phone, a pink Motorola Razr.

No one has to worry about the iCloud being hacked when they use a flip phone. There's little to no eye and neck strain. No fear of Flappy Bird addiction.

And, let's be honest ... there's something satisfying about a switchblade-like phone flip after an annoying phone conversation that even the most emphatic tap of a touchscreen will never approach.

Maybe the hipsters are onto something after all. Though we'll still pass on the bushy beards.
 

saintforlife

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I'd say the BlackBerry Q10 could qualify as a hipster smartphone in the sea of iPhones and Samsung Galaxies. I think it is sufficiently counter-culture.
 

Ccrew

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I thought most carriers switched to a newer versions of SIMs which are incompatible with "older" phones.

One of the biggest killers of flip phones was E911 capability - Feds made it a requirement, and older phones didn't support it.
 

mclld

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I dont care how hip they are, I will never use one again or a small screen phone
 

ItHurtsWhenIP

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My grandma loves her G'zone semi-indestructable flip phone. She worries that they will stop making the rugged flips, but Verizon still offers one or two..

Other than that, no...I definitely disagree with the premise of that article. If anything, I see it as something people might resort to who don't want to spend $100-250 per month on a plan full of smartphones...
 

kdarling

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One of the biggest killers of flip phones was E911 capability - Feds made it a requirement, and older phones didn't support it.

Actually, yes they did.

In fact, since about 2002 virtually all CDMA phones... flip or not... had a GPS receiver built-in for E911, which is why many of them could also run navigation software.

During a 911 call, the CDMA phone would send its raw GPS reception data to the carrier's servers, which then calculated the phone's location.

On the other hand, GSM phones from carriers like AT&T relied on using cell towers to triangulate the device's cellular signal. This resulted in about half the accuracy of the A-GPS method used by CDMA phones.
 

Ccrew

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Actually, yes they did.

In fact, since about 2002 virtually all CDMA phones... flip or not... had a GPS receiver built-in for E911, which is why many of them could also run navigation software.

During a 911 call, the CDMA phone would send its raw GPS reception data to the carrier's servers, which then calculated the phone's location.

On the other hand, GSM phones from carriers like AT&T relied on using cell towers to triangulate the device's cellular signal. This resulted in about half the accuracy of the A-GPS method used by CDMA phones.

I'm sorry, my cell phone experience pre-dates 2002. The First Phase II of E-911 ONLY supported Verizon wireless, even though Sprint was CDMA also. On October 20, 2001 St. Clair County (Ill.) was the first comm center in the country to provide Phase II wireless E911 service, but only for Verizon Wireless customers. Lake County (Ind.) began Phase II service shortly after that, and the state of Rhode Island 911 began state-wide Phase II on Dec. 21, 2001 only from Sprint PCS customers with assisted-GPS handsets.

Phase 1 was limited to only certain GTE customers, so it wasn't widespread.

Now that said, and from Wikipedia: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_9-1-1#Requirements)

E911 Phase 1: Wireless network operators must identify the phone number and cell phone tower used by callers, within six minutes of a request by a PSAP.
E911 Phase 2
95% of a network operator's in-service phones must be E911 compliant ("location capable") by December 31, 2005. (Several carriers missed this deadline, and were fined by the FCC.[4])
Wireless network operators must provide the latitude and longitude of callers within 300 meters, within six minutes of a request by a PSAP.[5] Accuracy rates must meet FCC standards on average within any given participating PSAP service area by September 11, 2012 (deferred from September 11, 2008).[6]

So it's a LOT later than the dates you claim. While some phones may have had the capability you claim there was no mandate that they did until MUCH later and many lower tier handsets didn't support it. I may be old but my memory isn't totally shot just yet :)
 

kdarling

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I'm sorry, my cell phone experience pre-dates 2002.

Excellent. So does mine. I've engineered for phone companies since the mid 90s.

(Failing) to meet E911 requirements was not dependent on the phone shape, and thus had nothing to do with flip phones being outsold by candybar phones.

It was more about the delay in getting the location, and that location still being inaccurate, especially if the user was indoors.

PS. The first half of your post was a copy&paste. Should always give a link for that, as well.
 
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