Article: HP elbows Apple off global PC throne

[Stella]

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2012/05/02/global_pc_q1/

Apple's rise to the summit of the global personal computer market at the end of last year was short lived: HP has regained the top spot in Q1, Canalys figures reveal.

 

[spacepower7]

You actually still read the garbage from that website? I gave up on that site many years ago. They lost all credibility with me 9 or so years ago. Another website looking for hits.

 

[smoledman]

Except when you compare PC profits, Apple blows away HP.

 

[KnightWRX]

Uh ? They counted iPads to make Apple #1 ? So Apple never was #1 to begin with.

 

[gnasher729]

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2012/05/02/global_pc_q1/

Apple's rise to the summit of the global personal computer market at the end of last year was short lived: HP has regained the top spot in Q1, Canalys figures reveal.

The largest number of Apple's computer sales was iPads, which are quite a seasonal product. But since their numbers are growing year over year as well, the pattern is record sales in the fourth quarter, less in the first quarter of the year, and then going up again with higher record sales in the fourth quarter. So you can expect Apple to be #1 again about from the 3rd quarter this year and then permanently.

Uh ? They counted iPads to make Apple #1 ? So Apple never was #1 to begin with.

Sales numbers are of interest for two reasons: To find out what is going on in the business, and for bragging rights. For finding out what is going on, I'd like numbers separated; I'd like to know how many Minis, iMacs, Mac Pros, MacBooks, MBAs and iPads Apple sells, all separately. For bragging rights, which is what this article was clearly about, counting iPads is definitely right, just as netbooks that are much cheaper and less powerful than an iPad are counted as well.

 

[G51989]

Apple was never the number 1 home computer maker, they have less than 8% of the market.

They make their money and massive sales via the awesome iPhone, iPad, and iPods.

 

[blueroom]

I remember when HP made amazing stuff, from calculators, printers, computers, electronic test equipment. It was all top-notch gear. Then Compaq came along...

Heck I still have an HP41cx, HP29c and HP85

HP now squirts out hundreds of new products a year. There's not one product in their consumer goods department I want as I know it's as cheaply assembled and manufactured as possible.

An HP85 circa 1980. Built like a tank, custom CPU ran about 600kHz, mine still works.

 

[G51989]

I remember when HP made amazing stuff, from calculators, printers, computers, electronic test equipment. It was all top-notch gear. Then Compaq came along...

Heck I still have an HP41cx, HP29c and HP85

HP now squirts out hundreds of new products a year. There's not one product in their consumer goods department I want as I know it's as cheaply assembled and manufactured as possible.
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An HP85 circa 1980. Built like a tank, custom CPU ran about 600kHz, mine still works.

Yeah....I feel that. HP still makes some awesome stuff, but its all in the R&D And enterprise markets now, consumers get the cheap stuff.

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The largest number of Apple's computer sales was iPads, which are quite a seasonal product. But since their numbers are growing year over year as well, the pattern is record sales in the fourth quarter, less in the first quarter of the year, and then going up again with higher record sales in the fourth quarter. So you can expect Apple to be #1 again about from the 3rd quarter this year and then permanently.




Sales numbers are of interest for two reasons: To find out what is going on in the business, and for bragging rights. For finding out what is going on, I'd like numbers separated; I'd like to know how many Minis, iMacs, Mac Pros, MacBooks, MBAs and iPads Apple sells, all separately. For bragging rights, which is what this article was clearly about, counting iPads is definitely right, just as netbooks that are much cheaper and less powerful than an iPad are counted as well.

The thing with the ipad, is that its just a tablet. Most netbooks are ablit slow, proper computers, with a proper keyboard and track pad, running a proper operating system. You can do more with a netbook running XP or 7 than you can with an iPad.

 

[KnightWRX]

Sales numbers are of interest for two reasons: To find out what is going on in the business, and for bragging rights. For finding out what is going on, I'd like numbers separated; I'd like to know how many Minis, iMacs, Mac Pros, MacBooks, MBAs and iPads Apple sells, all separately. For bragging rights, which is what this article was clearly about, counting iPads is definitely right, just as netbooks that are much cheaper and less powerful than an iPad are counted as well.

Netbooks aren't stuck in walled garden, and are faster than iPads (they're ATOM based, which is faster than the Cortex A9 stuff the iPad is based on).

 

[smoledman]

Netbooks aren't stuck in walled garden, and are faster than iPads (they're ATOM based, which is faster than the Cortex A9 stuff the iPad is based on).

HP netbook in 2010 couldn't stream 720p video while the iPad 1 could.

 

[boss.king]

HP netbook in 2010 couldn't stream 720p video while the iPad 1 could.

So can a PS3, is that counted as a computer? What about android phones that can do 720p and above, are they also computers?

 

[SactoGuy18]

In my opinion, the device that ended the age of the slide rule was the HP-35 calculator, essentially a handheld calculator version of the HP-9100A desktop calculator.

I've seen HP's latest desktops and they're still fairly good machines, though I'd like to see HP configure their machines in the Microsoft Signature configuration so you get a computer with no "trialware" (though I would include an install file for Apple iTunes to accommodate iPhone, iPod and iPad users).

 

[KnightWRX]

So can a PS3, is that counted as a computer? What about android phones that can do 720p and above, are they also computers?

Yes, smartphones and PS3s are computers. So is an iPad and so is a PDA and a car's ECM. All computers. Don't mix up the PC industry (laptops/desktops) with computers in general.

And I can playback 720p on netbooks just fine. 720p isn't quite that processor intensive if using h.264 hardware. Check your player for hardware acceleration settings, most players just don't support it (especially on OS X where it requires using the VDA framework introduced in Snow Leopard 10.6.3 for a limited number of hardware configurations).

 

[boss.king]

Yes, smartphones and PS3s are computers. So is an iPad and so is a PDA and a car's ECM. All computers. Don't mix up the PC industry (laptops/desktops) with computers in general.

And I can playback 720p on netbooks just fine. 720p isn't quite that processor intensive if using h.264 hardware. Check your player for hardware acceleration settings, most players just don't support it (especially on OS X where it requires using the VDA framework introduced in Snow Leopard 10.6.3 for a limited number of hardware configurations).

I know they are technically computers. You completely missed my point. Just because they are computers doesn't mean they should count towards pc sales, just like the iPad should not count towards Mac sales.

 

[KnightWRX]

I know they are technically computers.

Technically computers ? No, they are by definition computers. There is no technicality about it. They fit the definition to a square.

You completely missed my point. Just because they are computers doesn't mean they should count towards pc sales, just like the iPad should not count towards Mac sales.

Then say they aren't PCs. If you notice my first post was completely in line with agreeing that iPads shouldn't be counted in laptop/desktop sales. Different computing paradigm all together (just like we don't count car ECMs or Smartphones or video game consoles in those stats).