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Alexander.Of.Oz

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This was shared with the local Sony group I am part of on FB. It makes sense to have consistent colour and other appearance for your agencies capture crews. A boon for Sony and well deserved really.
 

Clix Pix

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This is a huge boost for Sony, which already has been a leader in mirrorless for a while, and clearly the Associated Press recognizes the advantages in this. Sony has the mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras and lenses to support just about anything that the Associated Press wants and needs to shoot, whether in stills or video. They've got fast lenses in popular prime lengths, they've got long (expensive) prime lenses to get the job done in sports or wildlife photography, they've got less-expensive zoom lenses covering various needed focal lengths as well.....they've got teleconverters to extend reach on specific lenses for those who need to do so, etc., etc. They've got their own excellent sensors not depending upon another company for those, they offer both APS-C and full-frame bodies and lenses.... It's not surprising that the Associated Press has decided to go with them now.
 
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Darmok N Jalad

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Not to be the cynical guy, but no doubt there was a substantial deal made behind the scenes. Sony probably offered a hefty discount or even free bodies and lenses in exchange for this glowing press release that spans the globe. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth regarding the separation of journalism and big corporations. Will the AP be fair and accurate on future Sony news stories? Should it even matter what cameras their photojournalists use? Sorry to be a downer, but it just reminds me of Intel or MS in the dark days of tech, where they ruled the roost to the detriment of competition. I’m by no means an anti-capitalist, but this is a huge blow to competition in this market, IMO. The press is falling down on the job. :(
 

Alexander.Of.Oz

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Not to be the cynical guy, but no doubt there was a substantial deal made behind the scenes. Sony probably offered a hefty discount or even free bodies and lenses in exchange for this glowing press release that spans the globe. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth regarding the separation of journalism and big corporations. Will the AP be fair and accurate on future Sony news stories? Should it even matter what cameras their photojournalists use? Sorry to be a downer, but it just reminds me of Intel or MS in the dark days of tech, where they ruled the roost to the detriment of competition. I’m by no means an anti-capitalist, but this is a huge blow to competition in this market, IMO. The press is falling down on the job. :(
It happens every time the olympics, superbowl, or other big name event occurs Have you ever seen the Nikon and Canon toolchests at those events that are open for certain members of the press to use! It's been going on for ages, but I agree on the need for patent honesty in these sorts of endeavours.

The Press as such fell apart in the 80's and never recovered! It's been for sale since before then, it just became apparent to me then (the 80's).
 

Clix Pix

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I think that yes, they used Canon(DSLRs) before, and maybe Nikon (DSLRs) before that.....I would guess that there are special contracts signed with these companies so that when there is a big sporting event (especially something like the Super Bowl, the Olympics, the World Series, etc., etc.) the AP has access to all the gear their people need during the whole time and they shoot exclusively with that gear, etc., etc. Otherwise, what would be the benefit to either the AP or the company whose products are suddenly chosen and anointed by the AP (and often other agencies as well)?

Yes, I've seen photos of gear set out on rows and rows of shelves, ready for the grabbing and use by people who are shooting sporting events or some other big news thing -- they have carte blanche and can say "I need....[name the body, name the lens(es)] and they're handed to them. This has to be all prearranged through contracts and such.

And, yes, indeed, the anointed company then has the benefits derived from having the cut lines, captions on photos, etc., mentioning the brand name, body and lens used, etc., in the usual EXIF info.
 
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Ray2

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The discussions about financial incentives are accurate. Who is doing it is irrelevant. What's also irrelevant is any suggestion AP made a decision based on technical merits. It’s all about money. As usual.
 

Clix Pix

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I think it's also a way of guaranteeing some level of consistency among the photographers shooting for AP, plus ensuring that everyone has access to the lenses and bodies they'll need and good photos won't be lost because someone dropped or knocked over a camera and broke it and the lens. And, sure, money comes into the picture, too -- it's a win-win situation for AP and a win-win situation for the company providing the gear.
 

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The press release mentions AP uses thousands of freelancers in addition to staff. Do you think AP will now only accept input shot with Sony products? If yes, a lot of people have a decision to make.
 

Clix Pix

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I don't know how that works, whether or not the freelancers also have access to the Sony gear when shooting at specific events or if they would just use their own gear and if something happens to it, tough luck. ?? Unless the freelancer has a contract with AP (which then would mean they wouldn't exactly be freelancing) I'd assume they would be using their own gear and not be required to use Sony. I wouldn't think that AP would only accept submissions shot specifically with Sony cameras....they could lose out on some potentially stunning images that way. No idea how this all works out.
 
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Darmok N Jalad

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The press release mentions AP uses thousands of freelancers in addition to staff. Do you think AP will now only accept input shot with Sony products? If yes, a lot of people have a decision to make.
I don’t know, but wouldn’t that be funny if someone gets the best shot of a situation and the EXIF says Nikon and it can’t be published? This is different than a Superbowl or Olympics event, in that those are primarily for entertainment and highly organized functions. News in the world is far more dynamic, and so I can’t imagine it will be easy at all to manage content covering world events on the fly. What if a camera breaks and the photographer whips out an iPhone? I‘m sure all this is hammered out in the deal, but that just makes it seem so complicated.
 

r.harris1

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There’s an interview with AP’s head of photography - I think over at DP Review - and he said the Sony choice only applies to AP employees and not to their many independent contractors. Sony has worked hard on their professional level mirrorless gear - A9 mk2 in particular - with fast, silent electronic shutters, reasonable body build and recent excellent long fast lens releases being of particular value I would assume, money aside. Always follow the money of course, but there are some some good technical reasons as well for photojournalists.

My 35mm heart is with Nikon - truly lovely cameras and image quality. Nothing too compelling to “switch”, unless I wanted to be a youtube influencer producing videos with large shouty red-n-yellow font “WHY I LEFT NIKON FOR SONY” lettering :). Sony has worked hard at marketing and managing the message along with delivering reasonable tech - clearly outstanding in some areas - and has obviously won the current leg of that race with AP.
 

Clix Pix

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Ah, thanks for that information, r.harris1! That makes sense that this use of Sony gear would apply only to their own AP employees and not to independent contractors/freelancers. Yes, the A9 II, coupled with one of Sony's long lenses, either primes or zooms, would be ideal in a lot of sporting or wildlife shooting situations, and that silent shutter makes all the difference, too, in doing indoors press conferences. How many times have we seen videos of a press conference and you can hardly hear the speaker due to the rat-a-tat-tat sound of all the noisy shutters going off?! Silent shutter is also very useful for weddings as well.

Yes, Sony makes some very nice lenses and has a good wide selection, with something for just about everyone. That is one major reason that I made the switch last fall from Nikon, because I wanted mirrorless and I wanted particular lenses that are simply not available yet with Nikon's new Z system. I dislike using adapters and did not want to go that route at all with the FTZ adapter being offered by Nikon.

Sony really has had the advantage of a head start in mirrorless APS-C and full-frame camera bodies and lenses, while Nikon and Canon are only now trying to catch up.
 

gkarris

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I'm switching to mirrorless and tried a bunch of older used cameras. Out all the ones I tried, Fuji is the winner, but Sony seemed to have "done all it's homework" and am impressed with their cameras also...

I got a deal on a used A6000 and will be using that until I can save up enough for the Fuji camera I want...
 

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The A7Siii was officially announced today. Seems to be neck and neck with Canon now.
 

Clix Pix

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Oh, I'll have to take a look to see what the new features and functions are..... I have the impression that this camera body is more aimed at the video crowd. Next up in the lineup of Sony's new camera bodies then should be the A7 IV, as a successor to the very popular and excellent A7 III.
 

MacNut

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Oh, I'll have to take a look to see what the new features and functions are..... I have the impression that this camera body is more aimed at the video crowd. Next up in the lineup of Sony's new camera bodies then should be the A7 IV, as a successor to the very popular and excellent A7 III.

Yes, the S is mainly for video. Rumors that the A7IV might be in the fall.
 
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ericgtr12

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The press release mentions AP uses thousands of freelancers in addition to staff. Do you think AP will now only accept input shot with Sony products? If yes, a lot of people have a decision to make.
^ This. If it's strictly in-house and they're providing the gear I can see it, but outside of that I doubt their forcing thousands of freelancers to give up their existing Canon or Nikon gear. This smacks of an endorsement deal more than anything.
 

Brien

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The A7Siii was officially announced today. Seems to be neck and neck with Canon now.
Can’t help but think Nikon are screwed and end up exiting the pro Camera market (they make more $ selling imaging devices to hospitals nowadays anyway).

Sony has really dominated mirrorless, and at least Canon has great lenses. Nikon doesn’t seem to have ‘it’ especially as mirrorless supplants SLRs.

That said almost everyone I know has switched to Sony.
 

OreoCookie

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Sony has really dominated mirrorless, and at least Canon has great lenses. Nikon doesn’t seem to have ‘it’ especially as mirrorless supplants SLRs.
I don't think lenses is what singles out Sony or Canon, Nikon has great lenses. Nikon is just extremely late to the game, i. e. their native mirrorless lens line-up is still small, and put cameras to the market that are still quite flawed in where they are in the line-up. The top-end models still seem designed to leave breathing room for the dslrs and the Z50 is just DOA. Nikon's track record of making serious lenses for APS-C-sized sensors is abysmal — again to protect its more expensive offerings, so I don't think its smaller mirrorless cameras will garner any marketshare. And you nail it when you wrote that Nikon's mirrorless offerings don't have ‘it’. Canon made a name for itself with video capabilities, for example. And if Nikon produces something that is merely on par with its competition without any special functionality that singles it out, it won't attract any new customers.
 

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Canon is reportedly delaying the launch of the R5 to fix the overheating issue.
 
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