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cupcakes2000

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So what are c1 users opinions with this?

I currently am using a mini 2018 fully spec’d i7 with 32gb ram. I maybe could do with a laptop to supplement it, how is the basic MacBook Air in this regard?

Or what other recommendations may you have?

Looking for the cheapest but have plenty of money to stretch to a higher spec.

I know the highest specifications are better, but wondered about the base configs with c1.

Cheers.
 

r.harris1

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My wife has the 8 CPU-core / 8 GPU-core with 16GB of RAM and it works pretty well with C1. I would feel squeamish with the 8GB of RAM on the base model but…I haven’t tried it. It goes like gang-busters on my M1 Max, as expected.
 

Fravin

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I'm running C1 on a Mac Mini. Mine is with 8Gb and C1 is pretty damn fast here. As all other apps, btw.

Last year I had the base MacBook Air and it worked like a charm. No hangs, no struggles. M1 are fantastic machines.

I work with Fujifilm's XT3 RAWs.
 
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r.harris1

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I'm running C1 on a Mac Mini. Mine is with 8Gb and C1 is pretty damn fast here. As all other apps, btw.

Last year I had the base MacBook Air and it worked like a charm. No hangs, no struggles. M1 are fantastic machines.

I work with Fujifilm's XT3 RAWs.
That's great to know! I figured it would work well but not having tried it myself, I was hesitant to say "go for it" :). I think the C1 team have put a lot of effort in the quality work they've done for the M1. It really is better.
 

cupcakes2000

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I'm running C1 on a Mac Mini. Mine is with 8Gb and C1 is pretty damn fast here. As all other apps, btw.

Last year I had the base MacBook Air and it worked like a charm. No hangs, no struggles. M1 are fantastic machines.

I work with Fujifilm's XT3 RAWs.

Wow, that's good to know. I'm intrigued at the prospect of that! 8gb as well!

I'm waiting to see how well their iPad app pans out, and if its a no go then I'll seriously consider the very base m1 air then! never thought I would say that!!
 
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Fravin

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The Capture One team appears to be more focused on unmet user's needs. Which Adobe's team does not look like. Actually I think that no one at Adobe stops to listen to their users.

In the other hand, the folks at Capture One are thrilling to offer paramount image quality from their engine focusing the user's needs. For instance, having the Fuji's recipe system (this recipes are used to simulate the look of real negatives) imported with the pictures has always been demanded by users. Capture One took one update to introduce it and have been refining it for almost an year. Adobe's Lightroom still don't offer support for user recipes.
 
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cupcakes2000

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The Capture One team appears to be more focused on unmet user's needs. Which Adobe's team does not look like. Actually I think that no one at Adobe stops to listen to their users.

In the other hand, the folks at Capture One are thrilling to offer paramount image quality from their engine focusing the user's needs. For instance, having the Fuji's recipe system (this recipes are used to simulate the look of real negatives) imported with the pictures has always been demanded by users. Capture One took one update to introduce it and have been refining it for almost an year. Adobe's Lightroom still don't offer support for user recipes.
I just desperately want them to support sessions and external disks on the iPad version.

I am a longtime lightroom user and I switched to C1 just recently. It’s been a revelation.

Adobes mobile eco system is absolutely brilliant, lr on the iPad is a great product. But being tied into using their cloud to do anything is just to slow unless you have constant amazing internet - which isn’t always the case for me.
 

r.harris1

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I just desperately want them to support sessions and external disks on the iPad version.

I am a longtime lightroom user and I switched to C1 just recently. It’s been a revelation.

Adobes mobile eco system is absolutely brilliant, lr on the iPad is a great product. But being tied into using their cloud to do anything is just to slow unless you have constant amazing internet - which isn’t always the case for me.
Just like Adobe‘s mobile app wasn’t fully baked when it was first released several years ago and took quite a while to get to anything like it is today, the same will be true for C1’s first foray into the mobile space. If you haven’t read the link below, this describes a bit of their thinking about what will and won’t be in their first release(s): https://learn.captureone.com/blog-posts/what-to-expect-from-capture-one-for-ipad/

I signed up for the beta that hopefully starts next month.
 
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cupcakes2000

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Just like Adobe‘s mobile app wasn’t fully baked when it was first released several years ago and took quite a while to get to anything like it is today, the same will be true for C1’s first foray into the mobile space. If you haven’t read the link below, this describes a bit of their thinking about what will and won’t be in their first release(s): https://learn.captureone.com/blog-posts/what-to-expect-from-capture-one-for-ipad/

I signed up for the beta that hopefully starts next month.
Thanks for that link - I hadn’t read that yet.

Hmmm. No mention of sessions or any upcoming external hard disk support, in relation to working from one.

It seems like one of the most obvious features when using an iPad to supplement the desktop version. What better way for those that use sessions to be able to work?

I for one don’t have anything close to enough space on my iPad to import a wedding shoot, for example. And if they concentrate on the cloud then that’s just the same issues I had with Adobe and lr.

I hope it’s coming! I have signed up for the beta too.
 
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r.harris1

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Thanks for that link - I hadn’t read that yet.

Hmmm. No mention of sessions or any upcoming external hard disk support, in relation to working from one.

It seems like one of the most obvious features when using an iPad to supplement the desktop version. What better way for those that use sessions to be able to work?

I for one don’t have anything close to enough space on my iPad to import a wedding shoot, for example. And if they concentrate on the cloud then that’s just the same issues I had with Adobe and lr.

I hope it’s coming! I have signed up for the beta too.
I am a heavy sessions user too, so agreed, I hope it's coming. For me, the big thing I also want is tethering (into a session) in a smaller package than a laptop but still allowing me to get critical focus for landscapes and other tripod-based stuff.
 

r.harris1

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what are sessions?
Capture One has two main ways of working. One of them is a standard catalog, very similar in nature to Lightroom. It represents "everything you've ever done over time since you set up the catalog". For example, everything since the beginning of time or if you create a catalog per year, that sort of thing. There's a database associated with it that has all of your adjustments, previews, ratings, etc. If I want to move a catalog from one computer to another, I have to copy that database, the images, and all of the files and folders. I'd likely have to resync the image locations and other little things.

Sessions are unique to Capture One and is a concept that goes back to their days as a studio tool in the late 90s/early noughties. It represents work that you do over a short period of time. For example, a landscape shoot on a given day. Others can use them to represent a wedding or other event shoot or a product shoot. A "single thing". Unlike a catalog, everything is self contained in a folder with subfolders for images (a "capture folder") and exported JPEGs/TIFs. In addition, all of the main adjustments are stored on the file system in a human readable file and not a massive database. There is a "session database" but it really has minimal info in it. I can blow it away and essentially recreate it if needed. I can move a session folder to any computer or iPad or whatever (in the future) and pick up where I left off without moving large databases, re-referencing/syncing images and so forth. If needed, I can hand the session folder to a retoucher or an editor who can then do the work and hand it back. Later, when I've completed my edits, I can import images I've worked on into a catalog for global and more sophisticated searches.
 

mollyc

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Capture One has two main ways of working. One of them is a standard catalog, very similar in nature to Lightroom. It represents "everything you've ever done over time since you set up the catalog". For example, everything since the beginning of time or if you create a catalog per year, that sort of thing. There's a database associated with it that has all of your adjustments, previews, ratings, etc. If I want to move a catalog from one computer to another, I have to copy that database, the images, and all of the files and folders. I'd likely have to resync the image locations and other little things.

Sessions are unique to Capture One and is a concept that goes back to their days as a studio tool in the late 90s/early noughties. It represents work that you do over a short period of time. For example, a landscape shoot on a given day. Others can use them to represent a wedding or other event shoot or a product shoot. A "single thing". Unlike a catalog, everything is self contained in a folder with subfolders for images (a "capture folder") and exported JPEGs/TIFs. In addition, all of the main adjustments are stored on the file system in a human readable file and not a massive database. There is a "session database" but it really has minimal info in it. I can blow it away and essentially recreate it if needed. I can move a session folder to any computer or iPad or whatever (in the future) and pick up where I left off without moving large databases, re-referencing/syncing images and so forth. If needed, I can hand the session folder to a retoucher or an editor who can then do the work and hand it back. Later, when I've completed my edits, I can import images I've worked on into a catalog for global and more sophisticated searches.
interesting. thank you for explaining.
 
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sunny5

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So what are c1 users opinions with this?

I currently am using a mini 2018 fully spec’d i7 with 32gb ram. I maybe could do with a laptop to supplement it, how is the basic MacBook Air in this regard?

Or what other recommendations may you have?

Looking for the cheapest but have plenty of money to stretch to a higher spec.

I know the highest specifications are better, but wondered about the base configs with c1.

Cheers.
I used M1 Mac mini and now I have M1 Max MBP.

I dont know what camera you are using but M1 should be enough. Make sure to get 16 GB RAM tho. C1 pro is not yet fully optimized and they are planning to update with M1 optimization. I tested with 42mp and 100mp files. But 100mp files should be kinda slow. Kinda.

But M1 MBA might be slow due to thermal throttle without a fan and I didnt test it with M1 MBA so not 100% sure about it.
 

Fravin

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But M1 MBA might be slow due to thermal throttle without a fan and I didnt test it with M1 MBA so not 100% sure about it.

The funny thing about MBA rendering big files is it doesn't have to throttle down. M1 is so well designed that it doesn't need a fan.

I had the base MBA and a M1 Mini. Booth were running the same version of MacOS and C1, and booth have similar export images times. I did some testing back there.

Last year a bunch of reviewers discovered they were wrong about saying MBA should be good for basic tasks doe its lack of fan. And their tests shows that MBA 8CPU/8GPU is the fastest M1 Mac out there.
 
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