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mauritsb

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May 7, 2011
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Late april this year I noticed the battery status of my 2016 13" MBP had changed to "Service Battery". It runs on macOS 10.14.6. The battery cycle count was only 114. CoconutBattery said the design capacity was down to around 72,6%.

The MBP was bought new in december 2017 from an authorised reseller. It came with 3 years of warranty and is still well within that period.

There are no other problems with the 13" except that the up and down arrow keys do not register when pressed lightly. I feel the key click but nothing happens until I hit the key again, this time firmer.

I took the MBP to the dealer where I bought it. They acknowledged that the battery needs to be replaced. They warned me I had to pay at least part of the replacement cost. I told them that was unacceptable to me since the MBP was still under warranty and had a Cycle Count of only a fraction over 10% of what Apple advertises on its website. The store kind of agreed with me, but also said that they had to ship it to their certified repair center to know exactly what their position (and Apple's) would be. Because of Corona, the Apple stores in the Netherlands are closed so the seller is processing most Apple repairs in and around Amsterdam. There is a waiting time of up to a month before you get your laptop back. They advised me to wait a few weeks because replacing the battery was not an urgent problem and I had about 6 moths of warranty left. By that time (which is now) the waiting list should be much shorter and I should come back.

However, after running Security Update 2020-3 a few days ago, System Report now says my battery condition is "Normal" and according to coconutBattery it is "Good". System Report states a Full Charge Capacity of 2964 mAh, while I know the battery's design capacity is 4315 mAh. So only 68.7% of its Design Capacity is left at (now) 117 Charge Cycles.

How is that "Good" or even "Normal"? How can a battery that needed replacement suddenly be acceptable when in fact its condition is worse? Only when I boot the laptop holding the "D" key, the diagnostics tool tells me the battery needs replacement.

I am a bit at a loss here. Did Apple start to hide battery condition from regular users or did some of the Catalina battery management system trickle down to the latest iteration of Mojave? Did anyone else notice this? I will be bringing my laptop to the repair center this week, even though I hate missing it for a while. But now I have an extra hurdle to convince them the battery is broken. The Apple stores are still closed and the waiting list is still there.

Oh, did I kill my battery because I am always running my MBP through a CalDigit TS3+ dock? My previous 2011 17" MBP was also always hooked up to its charger and I never had a battery problem. It was in great condition when the laptop died in 2016 because the dedicated GPU card gave up just outside the repair program.

Cheers from Amsterdam!


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anpaman

macrumors regular
Feb 13, 2018
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I had MBP 2017 13" with battery condition similiar as your and if the battery's power below 80 % it would shutdown without warning.

Does it also happen to you ?
 

ctjack

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Mar 8, 2020
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I also had Good - Service battery - Good - Replace soon.
So it was still get back to service battery again despite having period when it was good.
I had many laptops around and noticed that on average they will lose 7.5% of battery health every year no matter what you do (plugged in all the time or always charging). It could be that it will stay the same for 4 years at 100% and drop on 4th year to 72% suddenly. Or it could lose 7% on average every year 100-93-86...
So your laptop is 3.5 years = 7.5% * 3.5 = 26.25%. You should have 26% battery degradation at this time.
I would say that the behaviour of your battery is within the limits. Sure there are Macbooks out there with more lucky batteries, but that is also not the usual case.
 

mauritsb

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May 7, 2011
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I had MBP 2017 13" with battery condition similiar as your and if the battery's power below 80 % it would shutdown without warning.

Does it also happen to you ?

Anpaman, I ran the MBP only on battery power over the last few days. Each time when the battery level was down to around 20% it shutdown without warning.
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So your laptop is 3.5 years = 7.5% * 3.5 = 26.25%. You should have 26% battery degradation at this time.
I would say that the behaviour of your battery is within the limits. Sure there are Macbooks out there with more lucky batteries, but that is also not the usual case.

It is possible you are right, but I bought it new in a sealed box from an Apple Premium Reseller late december 2017. So from a consumer standpoint the MBP is only 2.5 years old.
 
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anpaman

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Feb 13, 2018
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My sister MBP 2017 13" has more 2 year olds got around 300 battery's cycle count and still has 90 % design capacity but mine only had 200 battery cycle count already 70 % design capacity.

It all about luck factor.
 

satinsilverem2

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Nov 12, 2013
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my 2016 is also at the service battery level with 217 cycles. its gone as low as 58 percent health up to 85 swinging between there. Ive noticed since in the past couple of months my laptop has become more mobile and not on the charger all the time the health has been slowly going back up and staying around the 70-78 percent range consistently. I really do think that these batteries like to be used and not charged all the time.
 

mauritsb

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May 7, 2011
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Status update FYI: The "service battery" status came back after having been gone a short while. So, a week ago, I brought the laptop in for repair.

Apple replaced the topcase (battery & keyboard) of the MBP under warranty. Cost to me is € 0. I can pick it up tomorrow. Nice!

Even though the battery problem should not have occurred so soon, I am really happy with the service Apple and the Apple retailer in Amsterdam provided.
 

AnotherScott

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Jun 18, 2006
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I have 2017 Macbook Pro 15", same problem. When running on battery, it will shut down despite seemingly plenty of charge left, and when I bring it back up, it will tell me to service battery, it needs to be replaced... but once I'm fully charged and running from AC, the battery condition again shows as normal. Cycle count is 515. I bought this Mac used, I wonder, is there any way to tell whether it has the original battery in it, or might have a third-party replacement in it? Assuming it is a genuine Apple battery, it seems like this would be a bug. Either something other than a weak battery is causing it to shut down too soon, or if it is indeed a problematic battery, something is wrong in that the Mac is displaying that it's fine when it's not.
 
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