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Best After Effects Workstation, cost not an issue

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What Mac Pro hardware setup (from CPU, graphics card(s), memory, storage, etc) would you put together for the ultimate performing After Effects workstation, cost not an issue?

The only three "limitations" I would kindly request is:

1) It be a Mac Pro (although "modified" hardware compatible in a Mac Pro like macvidcards' GPUs are cool) :rolleyes:
2) only using the "internal PCIe" setup (i.e. no external PCIe slot expansion systems like Cubix's Xpander Desktop Series II)
3) limiting power modifications to the "default" setup of the Mac Pro (i.e. no external power supplies).

Thanks all!

Jonathan
 
Your first rule of it being a Mac Pro only blocked my first thought, which was to build a PC. :p

I mostly run Premiere and After Effects, but use plenty of other programs, and my system handles it well, but if I were to have unlimited money for a single Mac system today:

  • Mac Pro 12-core, using 2x3.46GHz CPUs
  • 96GB RAM in 6x16GB sticks
  • Areca or Atto RAID card to a 16-disk box
  • Twenty Crucial M500 960GB SSDs - 16 in the RAID box, 4 in the Mac
  • GTX 680 for Mac GPU, I guess

Give or take a mod or two, that should be nice for After Effects.
 
wonderspark said:
Your first rule of it being a Mac Pro only blocked my first thought, which was to build a PC. :p

I mostly run Premiere and After Effects, but use plenty of other programs, and my system handles it well, but if I were to have unlimited money for a single Mac system today:

  • Mac Pro 12-core, using 2x3.46GHz CPUs
  • 96GB RAM in 6x16GB sticks
  • Areca or Atto RAID card to a 16-disk box
  • Twenty Crucial M500 960GB SSDs - 16 in the RAID box, 4 in the Mac
  • GTX 680 for Mac GPU, I guess

Give or take a mod or two, that should be nice for After Effects.
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Haha, I knew the "buy a PC" argument would be made so I had to throw in that caveat. ;)

I have to say, I'm a hardcore Mac user (going back to 1997 if that doesn't date me), but the lack of Apple's Pro support has really made me reconsider a PC workstation, particularly because performance is key to our line of work and the Mac just hasn't been able to keep pace with the broader industry.

Anyways, also found these articles, albeit a bit dated, but interesting reads related to optimizing After Effects performance:

http://macperformanceguide.com/Optimizing-AfterEffects.html
http://macperformanceguide.com/Optimizing-AfterEffects.html
 
AE sees my 6-core as 12 cores, so yes, I allow AE to only use 8 'cores' to allow the remaining 4 to run the OS and other programs. It doesn't crash that way.

I allow 26 of my 32GB of RAM to be used by Adobe CS6, saving the remaining for the OS and other programs. I allocate 2GB per thread to AE. I tested every combination, and that one gave me the fastest renders.

If I had unlimited money, I could swap my single CPU tray for a dual one, and have 2x3.46GHz 6-cores, but for now, I'm doing great with a single hex. I don't know from personal experience if 16 SSDs will work in a RAID 6, but again, if money is as common as toilet paper, I'd try it out. It would be cool to see how close to 8000MB/second you could get, or 2000MB/second on the internal SSDs in a RAID there. I guess I should have said 21 of those SSDs, using the last one as the boot SSD in the optical bay, under the Blu-Ray burner you'd install.
 
wonderspark said:
I don't know from personal experience if 16 SSDs will work in a RAID 6, but again, if money is as common as toilet paper, I'd try it out. It would be cool to see how close to 8000MB/second you could get, or 2000MB/second on the internal SSDs in a RAID there. I guess I should have said 21 of those SSDs, using the last one as the boot SSD in the optical bay, under the Blu-Ray burner you'd install.
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Speaking of RAIDs . . . one question I've been trying to get answered is where is it more important (for After Effects performance) to allocate storage bandwidth? To the system/apps disk or media/scratch disk? I have a SSD RAID 0 setup coming in this week, and I was originally advised to prioritize the SSD RAID 0 for the system/apps disk (plan to eventually set up another RAID 0 configuration, but easing into my upgrades).
 
5050 said:
Haha, I knew the "buy a PC" argument would be made so I had to throw in that caveat. ;)

I have to say, I'm a hardcore Mac user (going back to 1997 if that doesn't date me), but the lack of Apple's Pro support has really made me reconsider a PC workstation, particularly because performance is key to our line of work and the Mac just hasn't been able to keep pace with the broader industry.

Anyways, also found these articles, albeit a bit dated, but interesting reads related to optimizing After Effects performance:

http://macperformanceguide.com/Optimizing-AfterEffects.html
http://macperformanceguide.com/Optimizing-AfterEffects.html
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It doesn't, nor does it make you by any means long term or old..

Why would you not use a PC for premiere? If you'd said FCP I could understand but it just seems foolish to 5K + on a Mac right now unless this job pays for the computer plus your time to resell when/if a new one debut's
 
5050 said:
Speaking of RAIDs . . . one question I've been trying to get answered is where is it more important (for After Effects performance) to allocate storage bandwidth? To the system/apps disk or media/scratch disk? I have a SSD RAID 0 setup coming in this week, and I was originally advised to prioritize the SSD RAID 0 for the system/apps disk (plan to eventually set up another RAID 0 configuration, but easing into my upgrades).
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Media and scratch all the way. I have a single SSD boot disk on the internal SATA II bus, and it's plenty fast enough. The OS/programs only need to be loaded up when you open the program, and after that, speed isn't a big deal. The media and scratch should be as fast as possible, since that's what is being read/written constantly.
 
wonderspark said:
Your first rule of it being a Mac Pro only blocked my first thought, which was to build a PC. :p

I mostly run Premiere and After Effects, but use plenty of other programs, and my system handles it well, but if I were to have unlimited money for a single Mac system today:

  • Mac Pro 12-core, using 2x3.46GHz CPUs
  • 96GB RAM in 6x16GB sticks
  • Areca or Atto RAID card to a 16-disk box
  • Twenty Crucial M500 960GB SSDs - 16 in the RAID box, 4 in the Mac
  • GTX 680 for Mac GPU, I guess

Give or take a mod or two, that should be nice for After Effects.
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Yup! That looks good!

For the 16 SSDs tho, let's scale it down to 12 so we can use a dedicated SATA III connection for each drive. :)
 
I sold off my 2012 12-core with 48GB RAM, GTX 570, SSD system drive and RAID0 SSD media cache because, as I've stated before, it didn't feel like a dramatically faster machine than the other cheaper/older ones I use day to day.

That being said, the SSD media cache RAID and GTX 570 helped with Raytracing and RAM previewing in AE. Other things, not so much.

As for your video card, there are no plans to add more than just the K5000 to the official video card list for CS7 or whatever they're calling it according to the just released list of features. Just put in the line of code with the 680 and enjoy the CUDA cores, it was nice on the 570.

I'm scheduled to pick up a loaded up Boxx workstation in early June for a one month test drive. Thought I'd never say that in 14 years of being a motion designer but I'm curious and excited.
 
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wonderspark said:
Your first rule of it being a Mac Pro only blocked my first thought, which was to build a PC. :p

I mostly run Premiere and After Effects, but use plenty of other programs, and my system handles it well, but if I were to have unlimited money for a single Mac system today:

  • Mac Pro 12-core, using 2x3.46GHz CPUs
  • 96GB RAM in 6x16GB sticks
  • Areca or Atto RAID card to a 16-disk box
  • Twenty Crucial M500 960GB SSDs - 16 in the RAID box, 4 in the Mac
  • GTX 680 for Mac GPU, I guess

Give or take a mod or two, that should be nice for After Effects.
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that's ballin
 
echoout said:
I sold off my 2012 12-core with 48GB RAM, GTX 570, SSD system drive and RAID0 SSD media cache because, as I've stated before, it didn't feel like a dramatically faster machine than the other cheaper/older ones I use day to day.

That being said, the SSD media cache RAID and GTX 570 helped with Raytracing and RAM previewing in AE. Other things, not so much.

As for your video card, there are no plans to add more than just the K5000 to the official video card list for CS7 or whatever they're calling it according to the just released list of features. Just put in the line of code with the 680 and enjoy the CUDA cores, it was nice on the 570.

I'm scheduled to pick up a loaded up Boxx workstation in early June for a one month test drive. Thought I'd never say that in 14 years of being a motion designer but I'm curious and excited.
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Your previous system sounds pretty well equipped and still couldn't outperform other lower end systems? What do you feel was the bottleneck? And what specifically do you feel the BOXX system will offer that your previous Mac Pro didn't?
 
5050 said:
Your previous system sounds pretty well equipped and still couldn't outperform other lower end systems? What do you feel was the bottleneck? And what specifically do you feel the BOXX system will offer that your previous Mac Pro didn't?
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You know, I think it's a combination of clock speeds, hard drive speed, RAM speed and probably the in/efficiency of the code behind the software.

With the Boxx configurations I'm looking at, all of those are greatly improved. We'll see though. I'm not a huge fan of benchmarking. I just need to load up some of my known, problematic projects and see how they behave in AE and C4D.

Thinking a Titan and much higher clock speeds should really help the most.
 
echoout said:
You know, I think it's a combination of clock speeds, hard drive speed, RAM speed and probably the in/efficiency of the code behind the software.

With the Boxx configurations I'm looking at, all of those are greatly improved. We'll see though. I'm not a huge fan of benchmarking. I just need to load up some of my known, problematic projects and see how they behave in AE and C4D.

Thinking a Titan and much higher clock speeds should really help the most.
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I agree regarding the benchmarking. The plan here is to also load up a few AE projects that gave me issues in the past and see how they hold up with the new hardware upgrades . . .
 
5050 said:
I agree regarding the benchmarking. The plan here is to also load up a few AE projects that gave me issues in the past and see how they hold up with the new hardware upgrades . . .
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If I really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really had to stay in the Apple world (and had to buy a new Mac Pro NOW) I would do the chip swap on a 12-core that some here have done for the fastest clock speed.
 
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thekev said:
What I've read is that unlike the other cards, it won't work by simply editing the loading script.
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You just edit the list by adding the name of the card. Been running that on all my computers for a year in AE and Premiere. One of my students is running the 680.
 
echoout said:
Not much to it. Just a couple commands in Terminal.

You'll know it's working when AE takes a bit longer to fire up the first time.
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Yup, I think you just have to RMC the AE CS6 app icon and go into the Package Contents to modify the file. Thanks!
 
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