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paulare67x

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May 20, 2023
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yes. I know used refurb and so on.....one owner low miles ..church on sunday, I suppose would require some bucks....worth it to me probably.. lets see what the rumors gang has to say!- therein is most of the wisdom about macs and not the morons who work at the apple stores...thank you all stay safe and effective-
 

bill-p

macrumors 68030
Jul 23, 2011
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I'm split between the 2014 and 2015 MacBook Pro 15" with Retina display.

2014 because that one has an nVidia GPU and it's still a very stable/good option. Plus the SSD can be replaced so storage is totally not an issue at all.

2015 because it has the updated trackpad that can be clicked everywhere and feels genuinely much nicer to use.

Both also don't have touch bars so both work well enough without needing anything special in both Windows and Linux, should you find MacOS not suitable in the future.

But at this point, if you can shell out $1299 for the new 15" MacBook Air, you might as well get that. Fanless or not, it's still faster than Intel MacBooks in the past and does have access to all of the latest software features.
 

Algus

macrumors 6502
Jun 8, 2014
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Well it depends on what you want to do with it, how much money you want to spend, etc. You can buy a machine that is 8-10 years old and walk away with something that should still be easily able to do 1080p film edits and other high performance things that people were doing 8-10 years ago (and let's be real, in a casual setting editing 1080p film is probably more than enough)

There are some risks with buying computers that old - among other things the software may no longer be receiving updates. There are workarounds such as using third party software to force install a modern version of MacOS

The newer the machine you buy, the more money it is going to cost. However, newer machines are also going to be more capable of handling modern workflows and are more likely to still be receiving software updates

A 2018 Pro will be able to run the next version of MacOS - Sonoma. Each version of MacOS is supported with security updates and bug fixes for three years so a 2018 Pro bought today is guaranteed to receive at least three more years of software fixes, possibly more. Any machine 2017 or older is not going to receive Sonoma but several of those machines will get extended support from Ventura.
 

chrfr

macrumors G5
Jul 11, 2009
13,709
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yes. I know used refurb and so on.....one owner low miles ..church on sunday, I suppose would require some bucks....worth it to me probably.. lets see what the rumors gang has to say!- therein is most of the wisdom about macs and not the morons who work at the apple stores...thank you all stay safe and effective-
The 2016-2019 15” models all have the defective butterfly keyboard that’ll be extremely expensive to fix when or if it fails, so I would recommend avoiding them altogether.
 

estabya

macrumors 6502a
Jun 28, 2014
691
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The 2016-2019 15” models all have the defective butterfly keyboard that’ll be extremely expensive to fix when or if it fails, so I would recommend avoiding them altogether.

I agree and would not risk it with a butterfly model.

2019 16” MacBook Pros can be had for $800 or less, far less if you’re patient for a deal. You don’t really say what your use case or budget is, but if you want to save some money or still need Intel I would look at a 2019 16” over anything pre-2016. Plus it still gets macOS updates for at least another year.
 

Fishrrman

macrumors Penryn
Feb 20, 2009
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Fishrrman's rules for used MacBook buying:

DO NOT BUY:
MacBook Pro 13" -- 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019
MacBook Pro 15" -- 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019
ALL of these have the disastrous "butterfly keyboards" that are highly-prone to failure. Although Apple has a free replacement program running for 4 years "from new", when that time expires YOU will pay for the repair.
And it's NOT CHEAP -- $750 for even a single key gone bad.
That's because the entire top case has to be replaced... even for a single key failure!

DO BUY:
MacBook Pro 13" -- 2020
MacBook Pro 16" -- 2019 and later.
These have the new "magic" (scissors) keyboards, as did the 2015 and earlier MBPs. These keyboards have been very reliable.

Also:
MacBook Pro 14" or 16" -- 2021
 

Longplays

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May 30, 2023
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yes. I know used refurb and so on.....one owner low miles ..church on sunday, I suppose would require some bucks....worth it to me probably.. lets see what the rumors gang has to say!- therein is most of the wisdom about macs and not the morons who work at the apple stores...thank you all stay safe and effective-
I will give pricing advice.

It should be priced below $700-1200.

Anything more and you're better off with any Mac laptop with M1 or M2.
 

paulare67x

macrumors newbie
Original poster
May 20, 2023
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Fishrrman's rules for used MacBook buying:

DO NOT BUY:
MacBook Pro 13" -- 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019
MacBook Pro 15" -- 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019
ALL of these have the disastrous "butterfly keyboards" that are highly-prone to failure. Although Apple has a free replacement program running for 4 years "from new", when that time expires YOU will pay for the repair.
And it's NOT CHEAP -- $750 for even a single key gone bad.
That's because the entire top case has to be replaced... even for a single key failure!

DO BUY:
MacBook Pro 13" -- 2020
MacBook Pro 16" -- 2019 and later.
These have the new "magic" (scissors) keyboards, as did the 2015 and earlier MBPs. These keyboards have been very reliable.

Also:
MacBook Pro 14" or 16" -- 2021
tj
 
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