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pajako

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Dec 22, 2017
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I posted this on Adobe and Apple forums too but nothing seems to happen, maybe a post here can get some insight in how widespread this problem might be. Or if it is a local issue.

The problem is that I notice every time that Timemachine is preparing its backup process InDesign gets a spinning beachball.
I work on an iMac Pro and backup to a Qnap NAS with a high-speed connection.
I cannot see any relation between working in InDesign and a slow-down from Timemachine but maybe someone here can enlighten me.
 

IceStormNG

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Sep 23, 2020
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Time machine will create a filesystem snapshot before doing backups (when it says "Preparing backup"). Before that, it has to flush buffers and freeze the disk I/O shortly so the filesystem is consistent.

It could be that InDesign relies on a lot of I/O (maybe it's swapping a lot) and therefore hangs during I/O freezes.

I personally don't use Adobe Products (anymore), but InDesign was a quite heavy application when I used it. That probably didn't changed much.
 

pajako

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Original poster
Dec 22, 2017
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Time machine will create a filesystem snapshot before doing backups (when it says "Preparing backup"). Before that, it has to flush buffers and freeze the disk I/O shortly so the filesystem is consistent.

It could be that InDesign relies on a lot of I/O (maybe it's swapping a lot) and therefore hangs during I/O freezes.

I personally don't use Adobe Products (anymore), but InDesign was a quite heavy application when I used it. That probably didn't changed much.
Thankyou for replying, it happens indeed at 'preparing backup', strangely enough I never experienced this behaviour earlier. It is not possible to tell Timemachine when to backup or how often so it is a hit and miss every time Timemachine kicks in. I have to agree that I suspect the Adobe programming could be better under the hood.
 

IceStormNG

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Sep 23, 2020
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The thing is: Time machine will even do these snapshots when your backup disk is not reachable. It will not transfer them to the backup target, but it will still create snapshots and therefore freeze I/O for a brief moment.
The fuller your disk is, the longer that takes because it might cleans an older snapshot first.

If you have a lot of disk activity, creating a snapshots also takes longer and all tasks with disk I/O will freeze shortly. Applications should actually handle this without problems. But some applications do some weird stuff in background.

Edit: After googling, I found a (German) thread about this problem. Looks like this problem is known.
 

pajako

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Original poster
Dec 22, 2017
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The thing is: Time machine will even do these snapshots when your backup disk is not reachable. It will not transfer them to the backup target, but it will still create snapshots and therefore freeze I/O for a brief moment.
The fuller your disk is, the longer that takes because it might cleans an older snapshot first.

If you have a lot of disk activity, creating a snapshots also takes longer and all tasks with disk I/O will freeze shortly. Applications should actually handle this without problems. But some applications do some weird stuff in background.

Edit: After googling, I found a (German) thread about this problem. Looks like this problem is known.
Great link you found, I will try the system-extension to see if scheduled tim-machine-backups are better to withstand within InDesign!
Time Machine-scheduler-editor
 
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