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WolfSnap

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Sep 18, 2012
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Anyone have any insight into windows compatibility with the new M1 Macs?
 

ascender

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I was waiting for something at the end about this but I guess not. I’m still hoping Parallels have some sort of workable solution.....
 

Xack

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Qemu based emulators could probably work but they would be very slow.
 

Lucifer666

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Sep 20, 2014
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Parallels, really?

So they are on this out of the gate. I ‘m surprised. Maybe I shouldn’t be?

Anyway, I signed up to Beta test this (actually, they call it a preview, which may not be anything)/

Good for them :) and us
 

dogslobber

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Oct 19, 2014
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I recall reading that somebody on this forum got ARM Windows running on a Raspberry Pi and it delivered an x86 Windows style of experience. This is the direction the likes of qemu virtualization can go on ARM to leverage ARM Windows too.
 

The_Interloper

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If you want to run x86 Windows, you're out of luck. Not going to happen. Note they say a new version of Parallels Desktop for M1 is coming; what they fail to mention is that it will be for virtualising other ARM-based OS's. This is a pertinent sentence in their statement:

"Parallels is also amazed by the news from Microsoft about adding support of x64 applications in Windows on ARM. "

In other words, you may be able to run x64 apps in Windows on ARM (WoA) via the new Parallels Desktop. But even that isn't straightforward:

1. WoA is actually Windows on Snapdragon. Unless Microsoft release an A1 version, it won't work.
2. Microsoft does not sell a license for WoA; it comes pre-installed on Snapdragon devices only.
3. x86 app emulation is currently only 32-bit and performance is lousy. Even when 64-bit support arrives, it's still likely to perform terribly.

In other words, if you need to run an x86 Windows VM...buy an Intel Mac.
 

Squeak825

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Sep 5, 2007
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Parallels, really?

So they are on this out of the gate. I ‘m surprised. Maybe I shouldn’t be?

Anyway, I signed up to Beta test this (actually, they call it a preview, which may not be anything)/

Good for them :) and us

To be clear...they danced around it, but they are still just doing virtualization, and not emulation. Their solution as it stands right now will only work for ARM-based client OS. That means x86 Windows will not work.
 

ght56

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Aug 31, 2020
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For right now, it is best to assume that these systems do not and will not have Windows support whatsoever, and when purchasing one you should assume that you will never be able to run Windows on the system. (I'm hopeful for something very different, but this is the safe position for the time being.)
 

MaryRal

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Jul 15, 2020
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Hi guys,
found this reply on Parallels Forum:

It is important to note that currently available versions of Parallels Desktop for Mac cannot run virtual machines on Mac with Apple M1 chip. Good news: A new version of Parallels Desktop for Mac that can run on Mac with Apple M1 chip is already in active development.

Subscribed on this blog article.
 
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sirexilor

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I don't get it. In the WWDC 2020 Apple presented Debian running in Parallels. And now they are saying it's not ready?
 

theluggage

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I don't get it. In the WWDC 2020 Apple presented Debian running in Parallels. And now they are saying it's not ready?
There's a huge amount of work between a 30 second proof-of-concept video demonstration and a product ready to ship (esp. one that will need to work with at least half-a-dozen different Linux distros).

Also, it's been reported that the A12 in the developer kit doesn't have hardware virtualisation support - so development and testing would have been dependent on a handful of closely-guarded M1 prototypes. It's quite sensible not to release a complex product like Parallels until you've had a chance for a large-ish scale beta test.
 

uiterlix

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Jul 25, 2016
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Apple pretty much killed Parallels with this move, as that has mostly been used to run x86 Windows VMs on the Mac.
 

Lord Hamsa

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At this point, I'm assuming that using an M1-based Mac will mean not running Windows on it for the foreseeable future. I signed up for Shadow.tech instead - it's price-competitive enough with Parallels and VMWare, especially when you factor in you're getting the Windows 10 license included. Of course, you need a good and active internet connection to use it, and it's not available everywhere yet. Plus the 2+ month lead time to get a new account set up is a bit annoying...
 
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