Other Breaking news: Major leak iPhone 15 Pro (Max)

[Zest28]

It has been as good as confirmed that the next flagship iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max will still only support ****** SBC & AAC bluetooth codecs.

Your Focal Bathys, B&W P8X, Sennheiser Momentum Wireless 3, and so on, ….., still work at reduced capabilities with the upcoming iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone Pro Max.

I cannot reveal my sources, but it‘s 99.9999999% certain.

 

[ctjack]

Iphone is about every day use of a phone story but not about amped with DAC android phones or $1000-$5000 - dedicated music players.

 

[VRDaddy1]

Iphone is about every day use of a phone story but not about amped with DAC android phones or $1000-$5000 - dedicated music players.

I don't understand what you are saying. Why should Apple have less hardware functionality for more or same money?

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Could you also please elaborate, if you know, why Apple is so resistant to using a standard USB-C port that is not locked down in some way? I don't get it. USB-C should have been added years ago.

 

[ctjack]

I don't understand what you are saying. Why should Apple have less hardware functionality for more or same money?

Because it is a tradeoff - you get better other parts so Apple has to cut corners on other items.
Like your regular hi-fi DAC androind smartphones are not Samsung either - they are dedicated android smartphones with their own cons but with great DAC.

 

[VRDaddy1]

Because it is a tradeoff - you get better other parts so Apple has to cut corners on other items.
Like your regular hi-fi DAC androind smartphones are not Samsung either - they are dedicated android smartphones with their own cons but with great DAC.

Ah, gotcha. Thank you.

 

[Zest28]

Because it is a tradeoff - you get better other parts so Apple has to cut corners on other items.
Like your regular hi-fi DAC androind smartphones are not Samsung either - they are dedicated android smartphones with their own cons but with great DAC.

That is a whole lot of misinformation. The Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra supports the following bluetooth codecs:
- SBC
- AAC
- apTX Lossless
- apTX adaptive
- apTX HD
- LDAC
- SSC

And Samsung didn't have to cut any corners to support those bluetooth codecs as it has all the features of a true flagship smartphone.

 

[ctjack]

That is a whole lot of misinformation. The Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra supports the following bluetooth codecs:

I never quoted supported codecs(software things) - we were talking about dedicated DAC.

 

[Zest28]

I never quoted supported codecs(software things) - we were talking about dedicated DAC.

DAC has 0% impact on the sound quality with bluetooth headphones as the DAC is inside the headphone itself. Heck, the Focal Bathys has it's own DAC + amplifier build into the headphone if you use it in "wired" mode.

For bluetooth headphones, dedicated DAC's do not apply.

 

[ctjack]

DAC has 0% impact on the sound quality with bluetooth headphones as the DAC is inside the headphone itself. Heck, the Focal Bathys has it's own DAC + amplifier build into the headphone if you use it in "wired" mode.

For bluetooth headphones, dedicated DAC's do not apply.

That is a beaten to death news about iphone - aptx doesn’t play well with apple from money perspective. If you care about your wireless performance then skip the iphone. The rest would enjoy the above average wired experiences.

 

[GMShadow]

DAC has 0% impact on the sound quality with bluetooth headphones as the DAC is inside the headphone itself. Heck, the Focal Bathys has it's own DAC + amplifier build into the headphone if you use it in "wired" mode.

For bluetooth headphones, dedicated DAC's do not apply.

If you care that much about audio quality you're not using Bluetooth. End of story.

 

[PauloSera]

If you care that much about audio quality you're not using Bluetooth. End of story.

I had a pair of Philips Fidelio lightning headphones that had 24-bit onboard DAC and was listening to 24-bit/96hz FLAC files from my iPhone.....9 years ago. As you said...if you really care about this, you're already doing it.

 

[h.gilbert]

Because it is a tradeoff - you get better other parts so Apple has to cut corners on other items.
Like your regular hi-fi DAC androind smartphones are not Samsung either - they are dedicated android smartphones with their own cons but with great DAC.

It's not, it's so obviously a deliberate move to keep iPhone users using Apple headphones. How are you this naive to how Apple operates?

They don't want to support other codecs like aptX or LDAC because a) that would persuade users into using other headphone brands instead of Apple's own and b) they'd have to pay to license it from Qualcomm and Sony anyway.

It's not just they spent money on X so had to cut corners on Y. It's strategic.

 

[h.gilbert]

That is a whole lot of misinformation. The Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra supports the following bluetooth codecs:
- SBC
- AAC
- apTX Lossless
- apTX adaptive
- apTX HD
- LDAC
- SSC

And Samsung didn't have to cut any corners to support those bluetooth codecs as it has all the features of a true flagship smartphone.

Android makers have to support codecs like that to remain competitive. Apple on the other hand has no incentive; see my post above.

 

[Pakaku]

Could you also please elaborate, if you know, why Apple is so resistant to using a standard USB-C port that is not locked down in some way? I don't get it. USB-C should have been added years ago.

I guess Apple still sees their iPhones as devices/"toys" and they still want to close it off as much as possible. Plus they own Lightning and they make money off MFI. And I do prefer that plug style, but obviously it isn't standard... by intentional design choice

They did add USB-C to iPads, but I get the feeling that was only in response to them trying to sell the iPad as a computer replacement. They would have tried to get away with Lightning for a lot longer if they could.

 

[prime17569]

It has been as good as confirmed that the next flagship iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max will still only support ****** SBC & AAC bluetooth codecs.

Your Focal Bathys, B&W P8X, Sennheiser Momentum Wireless 3, and so on, ….., still work at reduced capabilities with the upcoming iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone Pro Max.

I cannot reveal my sources, but it‘s 99.9999999% certain.

What did your sources tell you?

Just because there isn't hardware support for a specific codec (e.g. a hardware encoding block on the SoC) doesn't mean that it wouldn't be supported. Apple could add codec support in software first before implementing it in hardware a couple SoC generations down the line.

Apple might also choose to do something proprietary with Bluetooth LE Audio; I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to stream ALAC over Bluetooth LE.

 

[gpat]

I guess Apple still sees their iPhones as devices/"toys" and they still want to close it off as much as possible. Plus they own Lightning and they make money off MFI. And I do prefer that plug style, but obviously it isn't standard... by intentional design choice

They did add USB-C to iPads, but I get the feeling that was only in response to them trying to sell the iPad as a computer replacement. They would have tried to get away with Lightning for a lot longer if they could.

I get the opposite feeling, they switched the whole Mac lineup to USB-C on 2016 and then the iPad on 2018.
I strongly believe that the engineering team meant for the iPhone to switch to USB-C with the iPhone X but then the beancounters managed to have their way.

 

[WoodTableFromIkea]

It has been as good as confirmed that the next flagship iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max will still only support ****** SBC & AAC bluetooth codecs.

Your Focal Bathys, B&W P8X, Sennheiser Momentum Wireless 3, and so on, ….., still work at reduced capabilities with the upcoming iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone Pro Max.

I cannot reveal my sources, but it‘s 99.9999999% certain.

I can confirm all of this information.

Source: I'm the source you mention.

 

[Apple_Robert]

I wouldn’t call this alleged leak major. It is Pfc at best.

 

[tarsins]

It has been as good as confirmed that the next flagship iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max will still only support ****** SBC & AAC bluetooth codecs.

Your Focal Bathys, B&W P8X, Sennheiser Momentum Wireless 3, and so on, ….., still work at reduced capabilities with the upcoming iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone Pro Max.

I cannot reveal my sources, but it‘s 99.9999999% certain.

Oh dear, what a shame. Never mind.

 

[Pakaku]

I get the opposite feeling, they switched the whole Mac lineup to USB-C on 2016 and then the iPad on 2018.
I strongly believe that the engineering team meant for the iPhone to switch to USB-C with the iPhone X but then the beancounters managed to have their way.

Yeah, I'm speaking from that sort of perspective. If the hardware team had the final say, I bet things would be a lot more different.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

I don't understand what you are saying. Why should Apple have less hardware functionality for more or same money?

Google Pixel Bluetooth Audio Codecs

Google Pixel Bluetooth Audio Codecs

bluetoothcheck.com

Could you also please elaborate, if you know, why Apple is so resistant to using a standard USB-C port that is not locked down in some way? I don't get it. USB-C should have been added years ago.

Sure:
A) Lightning is better in some ways. In particular USB-C without MagSafe is a relatively very loose connection less than ideal for mobile devices.

B) Apple built a whole ecosystem with a ~billion devices around the Lightning connector and it makes sense that changing to a new poorer-holding connector is not something they want to rush into.

 

[TopToffee]

I wouldn’t call this alleged leak major. It is Pfc at best.

Was just thinking the same thing. Would estimate that this is a concern to less than 0.1% of the purchasing base.

 

[ian87w]

This again? Why is everyone still argues about it?

LDAC is Sony, aptX is Qualcomm. The reason Apple doesn’t support those is obvious, Apple doesn’t want to pay licensing fees for the millions of iPhones they sell to these companies, plain and simple.

And since Apple Music mainly uses AAC, from Apple’s perspective, they already provide ideal audio support.