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G4PPC

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Well I think I've settled on my Final Laptop Mac with my Latest MacBook Pro with Mojave, after having suffered for almost a year with the constant Failures of Big Sur and what MacOS as a 64bit only OS really is like. I know I don't want any of them ever again.

Maybe far in the future when they stop updating them, and work out all the bugs I'll comeback and install Catalina but until then I think it's time I find a Desktop Mac, but I don't know if I should buy an iMac or what, but I want to leave Windows computing behind.

So I was wondering what Mac's would make the best Desktop in 2023? That is ones that will still run Mojave and not 64bit only MacOSes.

Edit: Seems I did like always asking a stupid question without doing some research first as I just saw a 27" Late 2009 iMac with High Sierra and after looking at the specifications "although they originally came with Snow Leopard" I think that is probably close to what I want to replace my Windows 7 Setup with.
 
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Mojave won’t run on a 2009 natively. Wikipedia shows 2012 as the earliest iMac models that meet the system requirements. Obviously budget dependent, but I’d aim for a 2017 retina 27” as you’ll get a much more modern and powerful CPU and it can run up to Ventura if you do decide to move up from Mojave down the line.
 

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Well I think I've settled on my Final Laptop Mac with my Latest MacBook Pro with Mojave, after having suffered for almost a year with the constant Failures of Big Sur and what MacOS as a 64bit only OS really is like. I know I don't want any of them ever again.
I read this 3 times and still not certain
do you have a MacBook Pro with Mojave in your possession?
are we looking for a MacBook with Mojave?

anyways

Mojave is still great in 2023 and my MacBook Pro 2012 i7 16GB runs that perfectly!
bu tin tying on a MacBook Air 2020 which is just perfect!

hoped this helped.
 
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G4PPC

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Mojave won’t run on a 2009 natively. Wikipedia shows 2012 as the earliest iMac models that meet the system requirements. Obviously budget dependent, but I’d aim for a 2017 retina 27” as you’ll get a much more modern and powerful CPU and it can run up to Ventura if you do decide to move up from Mojave down the line.
I read this 3 times and still not certain
do you have a MacBook Pro with Mojave in your possession?
are we looking for a MacBook with Mojave?

anyways

Mojave is still great in 2023 and my MacBook Pro 2012 i7 16GB runs that perfectly!
bu tin tying on a MacBook Air 2020 which is just perfect!

hoped this helped.
Thanks for the advice, and Nope, I have my MacBook Pro with Mojave and I love it so far, but I actually had another idea since I have a 13inch MacBook Air Early 2014 with Big Sur I am going turn it into a temporary Desktop with a Mini DP Adaptor and just keep Big Sur around for running Apps that need 10.15 or later.

I will keep an eye out for one those 2017 retina 27” iMac's though as I'll probably want to upgrade to Ventura one these days. Big Sur just is a real pain to work with. My MacBook Pro can upgrade to Catalina, but I don't want to do that at least not yet.

Either that or I'll just use my MacBook Pro as Desktop as it has a SuperDrive.
 
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Well I think I've settled on my Final Laptop Mac with my Latest MacBook Pro with Mojave, after having suffered for almost a year with the constant Failures of Big Sur and what MacOS as a 64bit only OS really is like. I know I don't want any of them ever again.

Maybe far in the future when they stop updating them, and work out all the bugs I'll comeback and install Catalina but until then I think it's time I find a Desktop Mac, but I don't know if I should buy an iMac or what, but I want to leave Windows computing behind.

So I was wondering what Mac's would make the best Desktop in 2023? That is ones that will still run Mojave and not 64bit only MacOSes.

Edit: Seems I did like always asking a stupid question without doing some research first as I just saw a 27" Late 2009 iMac with High Sierra and after looking at the specifications "although they originally came with Snow Leopard" I think that is probably close to what I want to replace my Windows 7 Setup with.
Mojave will work on MP 4.1/5.1 from 2009/2010, Mac mini up to and including 2018/2020 ( it is the same, we can replace Catalina with Mohave on it). You can ask me for a tutorial how to do it.
2015 MBPs will run mohave fine too.
 

G4PPC

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Mojave will work on MP 4.1/5.1 from 2009/2010, Mac mini up to and including 2018/2020 ( it is the same, we can replace Catalina with Mohave on it). You can ask me for a tutorial how to do it.
2015 MBPs will run mohave fine too.
Thanks for the advice as a 2010 Mac Pro seems like a really nice Setup to consider for sure, and the 2009 model isn't bad either, I'll keep a eye out when for something like that or a later model iMac, but I don't think I want a Mac Mini.

What about a iMac Pro anybody own one those?

Before buy a Mac, Must read reviews of the users.

I usually go by the Specs when I buy a Mac, but when I had gotten my MBA I kind of just bought it on impulse and it was supposed to come with Catalina not Big Sur. Like my MBP was suppose to come with High Sierra but they upgraded it to Mojave when I had even put a note saying I only wanted High Sierra on it when I purchased it, but I was just thankful when I got it that they hadn't yet upgraded it to Catalina if that would been the case I would sent it back.

I'll keep that in mind though as reading reviews can help too, especially if someone had a bad experience buying from somewhere.
 

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Key thing to remember here... the OS that ships with the system anew is the OS that was written for said system. Just because it is capable of running later OS versions doesn't mean that you should. Everyone's use case is different.

For the record, Windows has been traditionally backwards compatible... which is why it is so bloated. So while you may be running a newer version of the OS, it is often emulating an older version on the fly... which also tends to slow it down. Mac OSes tend to throw out support for older hardware like bath water... by design.

Apple is in the business of selling you new hardware... which is why the OS is free. You upgrade your system to the latest OS and it starts to show the age of your system. Encouragement to buy a new computer... the cycle repeats itself for all perpetuity.

Keep in mind, official support for 32 bit applications ends at Mojave.

Apple isn't going to fix issues with their older OSes unless held at gunpoint. At this point in time, unless you are considering an ARM based Mac, you are no longer on their radar.

I ran my 2010 Mac Pro tower up until November of last year when I decided to return to the Windows world instead of buying an ARM Mac. For me, it was the right decision. I was a Mac user for well over 2 decades and never had any regrets about it. Like you, I preferred Mojave over the later incarnations of the OS. Since it was apparent that the direction of the OS and architecture was diverging from my ideal setup, I decided to go where the solutions suited me best.

Define your idea of a desktop computer and what you intend to use it for. Sounds like you are mainly a laptop person. You want a full keyboard and a mouse and larger display at your fingertips? What is it that your laptop can't do that a desktop can? Remember with a dock, you can basically use a laptop like a desktop, you just need to have all the peripherals to do so.

Your best deals are likely to be on eBay no matter how you look at it. Any used Mac sold from a retailer is going to be overpriced. Basically you are working with a sold as-is marketplace no matter what.
 

Spaceboi Scaphandre

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You sure I can't win you over to Apple Silicon? It's really hard to justify being on anything less than Big Sur nowadays with how much the ARM Macs kick ass.
 

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I would suggest that you don't read reviews and instead just go with your gut feeling.. you'll quickly get swayed the other way if you read reviews.

just take note of the most obvious changes in the architectures.. and determine your needs. It's quite simple when it comes down to it
 

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Key thing to remember here... the OS that ships with the system anew is the OS that was written for said system. Just because it is capable of running later OS versions doesn't mean that you should. Everyone's use case is different.

For the record, Windows has been traditionally backwards compatible... which is why it is so bloated. So while you may be running a newer version of the OS, it is often emulating an older version on the fly... which also tends to slow it down. Mac OSes tend to throw out support for older hardware like bath water... by design.

Apple is in the business of selling you new hardware... which is why the OS is free. You upgrade your system to the latest OS and it starts to show the age of your system. Encouragement to buy a new computer... the cycle repeats itself for all perpetuity.

Keep in mind, official support for 32 bit applications ends at Mojave.

Apple isn't going to fix issues with their older OSes unless held at gunpoint. At this point in time, unless you are considering an ARM based Mac, you are no longer on their radar.

I ran my 2010 Mac Pro tower up until November of last year when I decided to return to the Windows world instead of buying an ARM Mac. For me, it was the right decision. I was a Mac user for well over 2 decades and never had any regrets about it. Like you, I preferred Mojave over the later incarnations of the OS. Since it was apparent that the direction of the OS and architecture was diverging from my ideal setup, I decided to go where the solutions suited me best.

Define your idea of a desktop computer and what you intend to use it for. Sounds like you are mainly a laptop person. You want a full keyboard and a mouse and larger display at your fingertips? What is it that your laptop can't do that a desktop can? Remember with a dock, you can basically use a laptop like a desktop, you just need to have all the peripherals to do so.

Your best deals are likely to be on eBay no matter how you look at it. Any used Mac sold from a retailer is going to be overpriced. Basically you are working with a sold as-is marketplace no matter what.
I don't want to go back to windows, even Big Sur isn't as bad as Windows 10 I still have my Windows 7 64bit desktop and it is or was a top the line Gaming Machine but since support for windows 7 is completely going away very shortly it's already out dated. I could probably run Windows 10 on it, as it want's me to upgrade but I don't want Windows 10. Maybe Windows 11 is better you know like 7-11 maybe those two have somethings in common IDK.

Then I don't know about on a ARM Mac but on a Intel Mac you can still run 32 bit applications in Big Sur as long as they are Windows Apps using Porting Kit, but there are several 32 bit only Mac Apps that I prefer to use some that were made just for Snow Leopard like Boxer that won't run on anything past Mojave.

I guess the one thing about a Silicon Mac is the fact that it can install and run iOS apps "That would be a nice feature to test out", but with Big Sur the Music App that they replaced iTunes with is the most annoying App you'll ever encounter in your life it'll keep opening up all the time even though you did nothing to activate it and it never goes away even if you never used it, until you employee a hack to stop it from running. Other wise there is no known official fix for it, and Apple hasn't fixed it AFAIK. I don't think they care about it annoying you.


However with these newer MacBook's all having builtin battery's it makes a Desktop Mac seem more Appealing. I have also been considering the prospect of getting an Amiga, I keep seeing people swearing by them online and they seem like very nice Machines to have and the Graphic's of some Amiga games even look better than that same game on an Arcade Machine.

I think I would prefer to have a Mac though I learn new tricks I can do on Mac OS everyday and it's not like Windows were you'll just end up crashing at some point. When your Mac does crash it comes back with everything intact.

You sure I can't win you over to Apple Silicon? It's really hard to justify being on anything less than Big Sur nowadays with how much the ARM Macs kick ass.

I wouldn't worry too much, one these days I'll probably get an ARM Mac with Ventura, for now I just am staying away from Big Sur or later until they finish with updating them. I am far from giving up on Apple and although I still use some 32 bit Apps, even with Windows a lot stuff is coming out as 64 bit only, so 64 bit is the Future anyway.

If I could ever figure out how you can install and run 64 bit Windows Apps on Mac OS I would have it made.
 

Spaceboi Scaphandre

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I wouldn't worry too much, one these days I'll probably get an ARM Mac with Ventura, for now I just am staying away from Big Sur or later until they finish with updating them. I am far from giving up on Apple and although I still use some 32 bit Apps, even with Windows a lot stuff is coming out as 64 bit only, so 64 bit is the Future anyway.

If I could ever figure out how you can install and run 64 bit Windows Apps on Mac OS I would have it made.

You can. There are two ways you can run 64 bit Windows apps on the ARM Macs:

1. CrossOver. CrossOver is a compatibility layer created by CodeWeavers, the same team that helped Valve create their revolutionary compatibility layer Proton that is now powering the majority of all Linux games and has made gaming on Linux possible. However unlike Proton, CrossOver is paid software, and it's $500 for a lifetime license so keep that in mind. https://www.codeweavers.com/crossover

2. Parallels. Where compatibility layers fail, virtualization picks up the slack. Windows 10/11 for ARM are now available for Parallels so any Windows apps you may need, you can run through there. https://www.parallels.com/
 
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