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Pantaleón Garcés

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Hello i am New here and i have a mac 5.1 mid 2012 with Mojave 10.14.6
And i like to increase the USB C speed
(Only 2gb in the pcie 2.0 pcie port)
And i Don’t use any sata2 port
I read that This disapeared product can use the sata speed
But in my case its 3 GB/s
I am i bit lose in this upgrade thanks!!!!
 

Pantaleón Garcés

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Hello , just yesterday i PUT in the pcie 2.0 4x the sonnet allegro USB C and i Connect By USB C cable to the caldigit USB C / Thunderbolt and i put a 3.0 pendrive and read the speed in black magic = 95 mb/s write and 141 mb /s read . I only need this for void my càmera SSD an change ingormation by pendrive but in the 2.0 USB serial port the speed its 25mb/second
I think that 100mb = 1gb its slowly?
Thanks
 

joevt

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(I edited my previous post - accidentally had GB/s instead of MB/s for PCIe 2.0 x4).

You are referring to these following devices?
1) CalDigit USB-C Pro Dock which can be connected using either Thunderbolt 3 or USB-C depending on the computer?
2) Sonnet Allegro USB-C PCIe
3) CalDigit FASTA-6GU3 Pro

The CalDigit FASTA-6GU3 Pro uses an ASM1142 which has a PCIe 2.0 x2 connection = 1000 MB/s (without overhead, or ~750 MB/s with overhead)

The Sonnet Allegro USB-C PCIe uses the newer ASM3142 or the older ASM1142 (which do you have? look at the PCI list in System Information.app). The ASM3142 uses a PCIe 3.0 x2 connection, but in the Mac Pro it's limited to PCIe 2.0 x2, same as the ASM1142 so it's not much faster.

If you want fast USB speeds then you need faster USB devices. My current favourite method is to put a NVMe drive inside a USB to NVMe enclosure.

Since USB 3.1 gen 2 is limited to 10 Gbps (~980 MB/s), you don't need to use an expensive/fast NVMe drive to get the most use out of it. NVMe devices as low as 9¢/GB will have read/write speeds that exceed that.

To reach full USB 3.1 gen 2 speed (~980 MB/s) from a PCIe 2.0 slot (instead of just ~750 MB/s), you need a PCIe 2.0 x4 connection to the USB controller (GC-TITAN RIDGE, GC-ALPINE RIDGE, or ASM3142 behind a PCIe 3.0 switch which means a controller with two controllers or more than two ports).


Notes:

100 MB/s = 800 Mb/s = 0.8 Gb/s
PCIe 2.0 x4 = 5 GT/s lane * 4 lanes * 8b/10b = 16Gb/s = 2000 MB/s (without overhead)
USB 2.0 = 480 Mb/s = 60 MB/s (without overhead, so 25 MB/s seems reasonable).
USB 3.0 = 5 Gb/s * 8b/10b = 4 Gb/s = 500 MB/s (without overhead)
USB 3.1 gen 2 = 10 Gb/s * 128b/132b = 9.697 Gb/s = 1212.12 MB/s (without overhead, or ~980 MB/s with overhead)

G = giga = 1000000000
M = mega = 1000000
b = bits
B = bytes (8 bits / byte)
/ = per
s = seconds
T = Transfers (1 Transfer = 1 bit on the wire)
8b/10b = encoding of data on a wire for the PCIe 2.0 or PCIe 1.1 bus or SATA connection or USB 3.0 bus or DisplayPort or HDMI/DVI requires 10 bits per byte.
128b/132b = used by USB 3.1 gen 2 and later (128 bits of data requires 132 bits on the wire)
128b/130b = used by PCIe 3.0 and later (128 bits of data requires 130 bits on the wire)
 

Pantaleón Garcés

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Aug 28, 2020
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thanks .I have the sonnet allegro USB C PCIE connected in the pcie 2.0. x4. and then in this port the CalDigit USB C Pro Dock and I put in the dock a USB 3.0 and the I read the speed in BLACK MAGIC TEST
87 mb/s. write. and 141 mb/s read .I think that its slowly. 100mb its 0,8 gb
Today I buy a pan drive C and try
I am very agree for your interst
 

joevt

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A USB 3.0 device might be able to go as fast as 400 MB/s. But most inexpensive flash drives (pen drive) are slower than that. What flash drive do you use to get 141/87 MB/s read/write? At least your pen drive is faster than USB 2.0.


The SanDisk Extreme Pro or the SanDisk Extreme Go are fast (for a flash drive - maxes out USB 3.0 bandwidth at 420/380 MB/s read/write) and less than $50.
 

Pantaleón Garcés

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Aug 28, 2020
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i have the solution I buy a Sata usbC cable adapter and put a Sata 240 ssd Kingston (6gb/s)
Thanks.
But I think that mi pcie 2.04x can not go faster than this
 

joevt

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6 Gb/s is only ~ 550 MB/s. Kingston 240 SSD is ~500 MB/s.
What SATA USB-C cable adapter will you buy? If it's only USB 3.0, then it will be stuck at ~400 MB/s.
You can get ~ 750 MB/s with a USB 3.1 gen 2 drive connected to the Sonnet Allegro.
You can get ~ 980 MB/s with a USB 3.1 gen 2 drive connected to a better USB 3.1 gen 2 PCIe card.
Your PCIe 2.0 x4 can go up to ~ 1600 MB/s with a NVMe drive or a RAID or a Thunderbolt drive (if you installed a Thunderbolt 3 add-in card).
 
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