Can new M1 Max 16" MBP run Big Sur?

[yukari]

It looks like many of the programs I use are not yet supported on Monterey. So I need to stay with Big Sur for now.
I've ordered new 16" MBP which is scheduled to ship late November-early December.

Is there anyway to run Monterey on M1 Max? Using VMWare Fusion perhaps?

Thanks!

 

[FNH15]

Pretty sure you can:

You can now Virtualize macOS on an M1 Mac with macOS Monterey!

You can now run macOS Monterey in a VM / Virtual Machine on an M1 Mac for the first time ever!!! I'll walk you through the entire process!

mrmacintosh.com

Haven’t tried it myself, however - mercifully all of my apps are updated for 12.0 (or are working anyway…)

 

[yukari]

That doesn't look like what I am trying to achieve....

 

[BarredOwl]

You cannot downgrade from the version of macOS that originally shipped on the system.

 

[galliofly]

My 16 inch launch day model shipped with Big Sur installed I had to update to Monterey!

 

[BarredOwl]

My 16 inch launch day model shipped with Big Sur installed I had to update to Monterey! View attachment 1901529

Wow. I'm seriously surprised. I would have loved to have mine arrive with Big Sur, but it arrived with Monterey (12.0).

 

[FNH15]

My 16 inch launch day model shipped with Big Sur installed I had to update to Monterey! View attachment 1901529

Are you sure?
The launch models shipped with 12.0, and there was an update to 12.0.1 which was available on launch day.

 

[marmiteturkey]

My 16 inch launch day model shipped with Big Sur installed I had to update to Monterey! View attachment 1901529

Really? Everyone else’s shipped with Monterey 12.0 and then updated immediately to 12.0.1.

 

[galliofly]

Really? Everyone else’s shipped with Monterey 12.0 and then updated immediately to 12.0.1.

My apologies I think you're right the big update I had must have been from 12.0 to 12.01 not Big Sur to Monterey😂

 

[darngooddesign]

My apologies I think you're right the big update I had must have been from 12.0 to 12.01 not Big Sur to Monterey😂

Perfectly understandable mistake; they both look like iOS so its hard to tell them apart. 😁

 

[yukari]

I am not trying to down grade to Big Sur, I am hoping to run a virtual machine (e.g., VMWare Fusion) to run Big Sur so that I can still access programs that I need.

I presume VMWare Fusion and Parallel are not yet compatible with Monterey to allow one to run Big Sur on it's virtual platform?

 

[fourthtunz]

You cannot downgrade from the version of macOS that originally shipped on the system.

Any Idea why Apple doesn't allow you to downgrade? I wonder how many people like myself
don't buy a new Mac because of this policy?

 

[arw]

Any Idea why Apple doesn't allow you to downgrade? I wonder how many people like myself
don't buy a new Mac because of this policy?

It has been discussed many times before.
One point being, drivers and hardware support for new devices aren‘t available in OS releases older than said device.
With Monterey officially released, Big Sur doesn‘t even get bug fixes anymore, only security relevant updates.

 

[Lobwedgephil]

Any Idea why Apple doesn't allow you to downgrade? I wonder how many people like myself
don't buy a new Mac because of this policy?

Probably not many. No need for them to update the old software to support new hardware.

 

[fourthtunz]

It has been discussed many times before.
One point being, drivers and hardware support for new devices aren‘t available in OS releases older than said device.
With Monterey officially released, Big Sur doesn‘t even get bug fixes anymore, only security relevant updates.

you’d think Apple would be a little more cognizant of this problem being that they’re not just upgrading the OS they’ve got a whole new processor inside, The M1 hasn’t even been out a year and a half!
oh well I guess many of us music people will have to wait on the M1 pros etc.

 

[internetrando]

That's a downside to being a first adopter. There is no way to downgrade the system. By now, hopefully your apps have been updated to be compatible with the new operating system. Can you run an older OS in a VM? Possibly. I haven't tried that on the new ARM processors.

 

[fourthtunz]

That's a downside to being a first adopter. There is no way to downgrade the system. By now, hopefully your apps have been updated to be compatible with the new operating system. Can you run an older OS in a VM? Possibly. I haven't tried that on the new ARM processors.

Interesting I don’t know if they will run under a VM. i’ve got the MacBook Air M1 running Big Sur and lot of the plug-ins for logic and ProTools still have to run under Rosetta. I can’t imagine how long it will take them to get their act together for Monterey

 

[internetrando]

Interesting I don’t know if they will run under a VM. i’ve got the MacBook Air M1 running Big Sur and lot of the plug-ins for logic and ProTools still have to run under Rosetta. I can’t imagine how long it will take them to get their act together for Monterey

I am sure they’ll have them out by the time OS 15 comes around.