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Damian Brown

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Barely a day into my new machine, M1 MBA. I want to get the best potential from the Thunderbolt 3 port, without a hub and I'm eyeing up the Sabrent Xtrm Thunderbolt 3 1tb on Amazon but really struggling to find real user experiences with the drive on the new Mac, so here I am!

Does anybody have experience with this drive? Or any other TB3 external SSD directly into the new Macbook?

Thanks in advance.
 
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BeatCrazy

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I came very close to buying this drive. I think you should get it, and a) test the speed and b) see if you can remove/replace the included drive :)

Instead of that Sabrent, I ended up with the ACASIS USB4 enclosure + Samsung 970 EVO Plus. My speed results are here.
 
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I came very close to buying this drive. I think you should get it, and a) test the speed and b) see if you can remove/replace the included drive :)

Instead of that Sabrent, I ended up with the ACASIS USB4 enclosure + Samsung 970 EVO Plus. My speed results are here.

Thanks for sharing! I'd love to see what the "all in one" Sabrent can do before shelling out but might be a case of buy and return if it the m1 Mac isn't ready for it. Sounds like you're confident it will be.
 

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Thanks for sharing! I'd love to see what the "all in one" Sabrent can do before shelling out but might be a case of buy and return if it the m1 Mac isn't ready for it. Sounds like you're confident it will be.

We're in a bit of uncharted water with some of these TB3 devices/enclosures, regarding M1 performance. And I think there is still some optimization for Apple to gain via macOS updates. But time (and your testing!) will tell...
 
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AnandTech's review


The Sabrent Rocket XTRM-Q represents a unique product line in the market – a dual-mode SSD that can work with both Thunderbolt 3 ports and USB ports with optimal performance profiles based on the host to which the drive is connected. It is also available in capacities that no other external SSD vendor offers. These two aspects ensure that the XTRM-Q can appeal to a select audience in a way that no other offering can match. Pricing is also attractive on a $-per-GB basis, and the thermal solution is excellent.


The use of QLC NAND could be a turn-off for some folks, though Sabrent has sought to address that with a liberal amount of SLC cache – almost 25% of the drive capacity. Unfortunately, there seem to be other problems – or at least quirks – on the write caching front. For medium-sized sustained writes, there's a sizable gap in performance between Thunderbolt 3 and USB modes, leaving the normally more capable Thunderbolt 3 mode at a disadvantage. This disappointing write performance in Thunderbolt 3 mode is quite puzzling – given that these slow write speeds don't occur in USB mode, it hints that SLC write caching is not being under in Thunderbolt 3 mode. But even then, our DIY configuration with the same write caching functionality turned off is able to deliver much better numbers.

Overall, although the Rocket XTRM-Q is a dual-mode drive, it has a distinct yin and yang dichotomy going on, which depends on the host type. As a Thunderbolt 3 device the drive can put up some great read speeds, which is what you'd expect with an NVMe-based drive backed by Thunderbolt 3's raw bandwidth. However write performance very clearly favors USB mode, as this is the only mode that seems to be able to take advantage of the drive's speedy SLC cache. It's strangely unbalanced performance that partially undermines what would otherwise should be the drive's biggest strength: a USB drive that's able to upgrade to Thunderbolt 3 for even better performance on compatible hosts.

Thunderbolt 3 performance aside, it's also unfortunate that the internal SSD is pretty much inaccessible. The unit as a whole is sealed shut, which means that in case of an unlikely board or bridge chip failure, the ability to recover data by attaching the internal drive to another computer is pretty much ruled out. Other than the Crucial Portable X6 and X8, we haven't seen any of the other external SSDs (with the flash and bridge chips on separate boards) keep their internal drive out of reach. Hopefully, this is an aspect that Sabrent can address in the future.

Otherwise, Sabrent would also do well to release a 3D TLC version of the dual-mode platform to address some of the shortcomings of the XTRM-Q while retaining the positives. This is likely still a generation off (we've yet to see the prerequisite 8TB TLC M.2 drives), but it would help boost the drive's minimum write performance, which it never hurts to improve on.
 

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I'm struggling to see where this includes tests on the M1, help!

There's none. Those are tests of the drive itself. Frankly, it doesn't seem to be a whole lot better compared to USB-C SSDs and there are areas where it's actually slower.
 

Damian Brown

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There's none. Those are tests of the drive itself. Frankly, it doesn't seem to be a whole lot better compared to USB-C SSDs and there are areas where it's actually slower.
But I'm looking for experiences with the M1 macs
 

rui no onna

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But I'm looking for experiences with the M1 macs

Experience with M1 Macs isn't going to be any better than what the drive itself is capable of. It may have a Thunderbolt connector but the SSD used isn't exactly the best (really more of a budget model).
 

Damian Brown

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Experience with M1 Macs isn't going to be any better than what the drive itself is capable of. It may have a Thunderbolt connector but the SSD used isn't exactly the best (really more of a budget model).
But it could be worse.

What drive would you get for the TB3 port?
 

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But it could be worse.

What drive would you get for the TB3 port?

For performance: probably the same thing as @BeatCrazy: enclosure + Samsung 970 EVO Plus or WD Black. Smaller manufacturers that use Phison and Silicon Motion controllers have been known to swap to newer, cheaper, slower controllers (in the same family) and NAND different from the review units.

Alternately, the Samsung X5.

Personally, I'm fine even with 500MB/s for external so I just got the Samsung T7 (~1GB/s). I'd prefer to have consistent write performance than a drive that drops down below 200 MB/s when you fill it up or go beyond the SLC cache.

Mind, if performance is the primary goal, I would've just paid Apple more to upgrade the internal SSD. Having the SSD controller on the M1 itself and unified memory architecture means latency is always going to be lower on internal (ergo quicker access) than any external drive.
 
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We're in a bit of uncharted water with some of these TB3 devices/enclosures, regarding M1 performance. And I think there is still some optimization for Apple to gain via macOS updates. But time (and your testing!) will tell...
I'm new to all this :D But I will post something when I eventually decide. I'm leaning back towards an enclosure + a stick :) Still not 100% sure. Don't really want to throw money at it but want something that'll be decent.

For example I've added these to my list: ADATA XPG SX8200, Sabrent Rocket Q 1TB NVMe PCIe M.2 2280, Wavlink enclosure (RC-UTE02-UK)
 

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I'm new to all this :D But I will post something when I eventually decide. I'm leaning back towards an enclosure + a stick :) Still not 100% sure. Don't really want to throw money at it but want something that'll be decent.

For example I've added these to my list: ADATA XPG SX8200, Sabrent Rocket Q 1TB NVMe PCIe M.2 2280, Wavlink enclosure (RC-UTE02-UK)

I have that exact same ADATA NVMe SSD. When I put it inside my ACASIS TB3 enclosure, and the speeds I got were not great, here.
 

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Here is my review on the XTRM-Q - a great drive:


However, personally I really like the new Dual TB3 enclosure as it provides the flexibility to run single drives of your choosing - or RAID them together:


And if its raw speed you are after, I also have the Glyph Atom Pro, which is silly fast, but seems to stay rather cool throughout use too:


Ive been through a large variety of drives (as you can see from my channel) and the above are among the best!
 

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For performance: probably the same thing as @BeatCrazy: enclosure + Samsung 970 EVO Plus or WD Black. Smaller manufacturers that use Phison and Silicon Motion controllers have been known to swap to newer, cheaper, slower controllers (in the same family) and NAND different from the review units.

Alternately, the Samsung X5.

Personally, I'm fine even with 500MB/s for external so I just got the Samsung T7 (~1GB/s). I'd prefer to have consistent write performance than a drive that drops down below 200 MB/s when you fill it up or go beyond the SLC cache.

Mind, if performance is the primary goal, I would've just paid Apple more to upgrade the internal SSD. Having the SSD controller on the M1 itself and unified memory architecture means latency is always going to be lower on internal (ergo quicker access) than any external drive.

Samsung X5 reaches high temperatures and throttles quite heavily with some usage - I used to like it but no longer recommend it since we have so many others to choose from now, all of which perform better thanks to better cooling.
Agree with the internal drive comment - you cant get better then internal storage, but external drives are silly fast these days too and easily hit speeds to edit even 8k footage successfully - if you had ether spare cash that is!
 
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Damian Brown

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Whether the CPU is Intel or M1 will not have any bearing on the speed you achieve from your external drive.
A lot of tests at the moment are saying different, as in there's compatability issues for some.
 
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Here is my review on the XTRM-Q - a great drive:


However, personally I really like the new Dual TB3 enclosure as it provides the flexibility to run single drives of your choosing - or RAID them together:


And if its raw speed you are after, I also have the Glyph Atom Pro, which is silly fast, but seems to stay rather cool throughout use too:


Ive been through a large variety of drives (as you can see from my channel) and the above are among the best!
Thanks. I saw your videos earlier this week actually :)
 
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Damian Brown

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Samsung X5 reaches high temperatures and throttles quite heavily with some usage - I used to like it but no longer recommend it since we have so many others to choose from now, all of which perform better thanks to better cooling.
Agree with the internal drive comment - you cant get better then internal storage, but external drives are silly fast these days too and easily hit speeds to edit even 8k footage successfully - if you had ether spare cash that is!
Well the internal upgrade isn't an option for me.
 

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I tried a 500GB Sabrent Rocket XTRM with my M1 MBA. Returned it after a few days. Main reason was very inconsistent write performance which was way lower than it should be. By design it has a small write cache (25% of total) and writes very slowly once the write cache is full. I felt mine might have been faulty. I had no confidence in it.

I would not get a Sabrent XTRM with the idea you are going to open it up. It might be possible with enough force in the right place, but it seemed well made.

I replaced it with an Envoy Express enclosure and WD SN750 black, which is very well behaved and consistent with a large write cache. I get 1100/1400 on my M1 and 1300/1500 on both M1 and iMac. The Envoy Express is not a speed king, nor is the WD. Fast enough for my need which was primarily just to have a TB external.

I liked that the Sabrent was USB as well as TB, which the Envoy isn't (TB only). I have since found out about the ACASIS enclosure mentioned by #BeatCrazy in post#2 which I think is a USB and TB but somewhat large compared to the Envoy Express. Perhaps #BeatCrazy could confirm.

M1 numbers corrected in edit as above.
 
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Damian Brown

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This is where I'm currently at in all this rabbit hole business, the drive or the other way, though I really want plug and play as much as possible:
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This is where I'm currently at in all this rabbit hole business, the drive or the other way, though I really want plug and play as much as possible: View attachment 1720660
Analysis paralysis! After my experience above I personally would go with the enclosure and WD, between your two choices, but I note that the Sabrent I tried and returned was a XTRM-Q not just XTRM. The XTRM in your post is TB only as far as I can see. Might be a good thing. The WAVlink enclosure and WD blue SN550 look faster than mine, but I haven't researched ("SN750 black" sounds like it ought to be higher spec than "SN550 blue" !)

I also note that the Amazon UK price of the XTRM-Q is now over £100 more than I paid a month ago!
 
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Analysis paralysis! After my experience above I personally would go with the enclosure and WD, between your two choices, but I note that the Sabrent I tried and returned was a XTRM-Q not just XTRM. The XTRM in your post is TB only as far as I can see. Might be a good thing. The WAVlink enclosure and WD blue SN550 look faster than mine, but I haven't researched ("SN750 black" sounds like it ought to be higher spec than "SN550 blue" !)
Analysis paralysis, I like it!

So I'm only interested in utilising the TB3 port, so that's ok.
 
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