Catalina Reminders: where can I download an older version of the app?

[brunozs]

Catalina ruined Reminders for me. The new app is very buggy, slow, and messed up all my check lists. After a week of reorganising and trying to get used to it, I'm finally fed up!

Please, where can I find an older version of the Reminders app to download? Im hoping it will work just like old iMovie worked in the past.

Otherwise I will have to move to a third party app

 

[NoBoMac]

Out of luck re: old version of Reminders. First, no such thing exists. Second:

To use the new Reminders features in iOS 13—smart lists, a new quick toolbar, and more—you need to upgrade the reminders in your iCloud account.

[...]

Upgraded reminders aren't compatible with earlier versions of iOS and macOS.

So if you could get an earlier version of the app/program, your iCloud account is converted to the new version and no going back.

Update the Reminders app in iOS 13 or later - Apple Support

To use the new Reminders features in iOS 13 or later — grocery lists, templates, and more — you need to upgrade the reminders in iCloud.

support.apple.com

 

[casperes1996]

So if you could get an earlier version of the app/program, your iCloud account is converted to the new version and no going back.

Unless the OP did not do the upgrade. When you first open the new Reminders app you are presented with the option of upgrading your reminders database. If you do not, many new features won't work, but it remains compatible with older devices if that's a priority. If that is the case it may be possible to run a version of the Reminders app from Mojave.

 

[brunozs]

Unless the OP did not do the upgrade. When you first open the new Reminders app you are presented with the option of upgrading your reminders database. If you do not, many new features won't work, but it remains compatible with older devices if that's a priority. If that is the case it may be possible to run a version of the Reminders app from Mojave.

I did not do the upgrade to the new version. I'm still on iOS 12 and I'm hoping that the Mojave version of Reminders will work just as before. I just don't know where to get it.

 

[casperes1996]

I did not do the upgrade to the new version. I'm still on iOS 12 and I'm hoping that the Mojave version of Reminders will work just as before. I just don't know where to get it.

I put my Mojave version up on my iCloud Drive so you can download it from me. I'll delete the online copy when you have it so for future readers the link is probably dead.
Keep in mind that even if it does work it is an unsupported configuration and may have bugs.
When the new versions of Pages came along, the old version kept working for many many releases (may even still), but some UI elements appeared slightly incorrectly. YMMV with this sort of thing.


And for the future, remember that backups are good to have . Time Machine, CCC, whatever you want. You'll have something to revert to, either a whole system or just pieces here and there.

iCloud Drive - Apple iCloud

Store, organize and collaborate on files and folders with iCloud Drive. Easily upload, delete or recover files. Changes will sync across your devices with iCloud.

www.icloud.com

 

[cool11]

I put my Mojave version up on my iCloud Drive so you can download it from me. I'll delete the online copy when you have it so for future readers the link is probably dead.
Keep in mind that even if it does work it is an unsupported configuration and may have bugs.
When the new versions of Pages came along, the old version kept working for many many releases (may even still), but some UI elements appeared slightly incorrectly. YMMV with this sort of thing.


And for the future, remember that backups are good to have . Time Machine, CCC, whatever you want. You'll have something to revert to, either a whole system or just pieces here and there.

iCloud Drive - Apple iCloud

Store, organize and collaborate on files and folders with iCloud Drive. Easily upload, delete or recover files. Changes will sync across your devices with iCloud.

www.icloud.com

I can't just download 'a copy'. I click on it, but nothing happens.
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Apple ruined this good older reminder application. No export, in import, no good usability. And it seems very buggy also. I still search how to get out of a task. Pressing enter do nothing, pressing esc key seem to reject any changes I make.
I can't believe how the messed everything up.

 

[casperes1996]

I can't just download 'a copy'. I click on it, but nothing happens.
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Apple ruined this good older reminder application. No export, in import, no good usability. And it seems very buggy also. I still search how to get out of a task. Pressing enter do nothing, pressing esc key seem to reject any changes I make.
I can't believe how the messed everything up.

Weirdly the download a copy doesn't work for me either. But you should be able to add It to your iCloud with the button above by logging in with your Apple ID. It'll show up in your iCloud Drive then and you can take it from there.

Export and import functionality does seem to be there, but may require the updated backend database

 

[NoBoMac]

Export and import functionality does seem to be there, but may require the updated backend database

Even with updated backend, Export/Import is no longer there.

Reminders are now stored in sql-lite databases vs old caldav-like xml files. And where you once could create an Calendar Archive from Calendars of both Calendars and Reminders, the archive no longer contains Reminder items.

Spoiler: New Reminders Databases

Stores % ls -l | awk '{print $5"\t"$6"\t"$7"\t"$8"\t"$9"\t"$10}'

9711616 Oct 23 13:00 Data-38FA2742-2A34-49A5-A82C-A8AE8F109DA6.sqlite
32768 Oct 24 10:59 Data-38FA2742-2A34-49A5-A82C-A8AE8F109DA6.sqlite-shm
2888152 Oct 24 13:10 Data-38FA2742-2A34-49A5-A82C-A8AE8F109DA6.sqlite-wal
192512 Oct 14 11:22 Data-B70AD6F2-74D9-4261-9A6B-19096DE7DFE6.sqlite
32768 Oct 24 10:59 Data-B70AD6F2-74D9-4261-9A6B-19096DE7DFE6.sqlite-shm
564472 Oct 17 11:58 Data-B70AD6F2-74D9-4261-9A6B-19096DE7DFE6.sqlite-wal
192512 Oct 14 11:22 Data-CBD62344-2049-462D-9D01-513606AA5B1A.sqlite
32768 Oct 24 10:59 Data-CBD62344-2049-462D-9D01-513606AA5B1A.sqlite-shm
407912 Oct 14 11:22 Data-CBD62344-2049-462D-9D01-513606AA5B1A.sqlite-wal
192512 Oct 14 11:22 Data-local.sqlite
32768 Oct 24 10:59 Data-local.sqlite-shm
111272 Oct 14 11:22 Data-local.sqlite-wal

Old CalDav style:

Spoiler: iCal/Calendar Archive

Events % ls
12C5C1D1-D8F1-4830-8DE1-274A6B59388B.ics 9D0EEFD8-2575-43D4-ABF8-7D56F4520E62.ics
21C94680-E4FD-49EB-AD91-9F981F44264D.ics 9E4465A5-80F9-47AE-B2D7-BE49D5352731.ics
31BD2075-4B1C-41E3-875E-61071F5C2C73.ics AB231542-EE0A-4C5E-994E-E0E205C7B0D7.ics
390459B5-4536-4436-A988-EF4A620246A5.ics BD50E1BE-331A-4E7C-90BB-EB536EC2737C.ics
6D9B9519-D110-478B-9D62-AAE016E6BFD0.ics CB22AC19-7D7D-4FB6-A3E5-403A600E35CB.ics
717F93E8-887E-42A3-A078-74269ABA108C.ics CBA50AC1-A52D-46CC-9871-9DFD0A8DBD5C.ics
88FD133C-7496-402A-AAB1-B375E8667F3B.ics DBA05E32-6939-40EC-B9BE-23C38B19EFE2.ics
964CBD75-A0B1-474F-8018-CC0263ABCDE8.ics E6634147-BF8D-415F-9B8D-4EC97802AF49.ics
9B20F7A2-B7A4-4EE2-8567-DACD72B81038.ics F5B44221-992F-4D46-A087-A5152FB504FF.ics
9C90B870-18C7-41C9-B866-A4F1BA3A6911.ics

% cat 31BD2075-4B1C-41E3-875E-61071F5C2C73.ics
VERSION:2.0
PRODID:-//Apple Inc.//Mac OS X 10.14.6//EN
CALSCALE:GREGORIAN
BEGIN:VTODO
RRULE:FREQ=MONTHLY;INTERVAL=3;WKST=SU
DUE;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20191029T094500
DTSTART;TZID=America/Los_Angeles:20191029T094500
UID:31BD2075-4B1C-41E3-875E-61071F5C2C73
DTSTAMP:20190717T164749Z
STATUS:NEEDS-ACTION
X-APPLE-SERVERFILENAME:31BD2075-4B1C-41E3-875E-61071F5C2C73.ics
SEQUENCE:6
X-APPLE-SCHEDULETAG:
X-APPLE-SORT-ORDER:537820330
SUMMARY:Renew Gym Membership
LAST-MODIFIED:20190727T181307Z
RELATED-TO;RELTYPE=X-CALENDARSERVER-RECURRENCE-SET:85B017B3-BB62-4DAD-AE
12-068B14E53278
CREATED:20180116T183210Z
X-APPLE-ETAG:"C=234307@U=550fe80c-05e6-4e41-a1a9-d4bd73a40d16"
BEGIN:VALARM
X-WR-ALARMUID:BDD7328B-F77D-435F-A28D-121B631B7613
UID:BDD7328B-F77D-435F-A28D-121B631B7613
TRIGGER;VALUE=DATE-TIME:20191029T164500Z
DESCRIPTION:Reminder
ACTION: DISPLAY
END:VALARM
END:VTODO
END:VCALENDAR

 

[casperes1996]

Even with updated backend, Export/Import is no longer there.

Reminders are now stored in sql-lite databases vs old caldav-like xml files.

Stores % ls -l | awk '{print $5"\t"$6"\t"$7"\t"$8"\t"$9"\t"$10}'
                   
9711616    Oct    23    13:00    Data-38FA2742-2A34-49A5-A82C-A8AE8F109DA6.sqlite  
32768    Oct    24    10:59    Data-38FA2742-2A34-49A5-A82C-A8AE8F109DA6.sqlite-shm  
2888152    Oct    24    13:10    Data-38FA2742-2A34-49A5-A82C-A8AE8F109DA6.sqlite-wal  
192512    Oct    14    11:22    Data-B70AD6F2-74D9-4261-9A6B-19096DE7DFE6.sqlite  
32768    Oct    24    10:59    Data-B70AD6F2-74D9-4261-9A6B-19096DE7DFE6.sqlite-shm  
564472    Oct    17    11:58    Data-B70AD6F2-74D9-4261-9A6B-19096DE7DFE6.sqlite-wal  
192512    Oct    14    11:22    Data-CBD62344-2049-462D-9D01-513606AA5B1A.sqlite  
32768    Oct    24    10:59    Data-CBD62344-2049-462D-9D01-513606AA5B1A.sqlite-shm  
407912    Oct    14    11:22    Data-CBD62344-2049-462D-9D01-513606AA5B1A.sqlite-wal  
192512    Oct    14    11:22    Data-local.sqlite  
32768    Oct    24    10:59    Data-local.sqlite-shm  
111272    Oct    14    11:22    Data-local.sqlite-wal

Thanks for the correction. I don't have a Catalina install handy at the moment. Could've sworn I saw import/export buttons during the beta program though. And I mean, could still be possible to export and import even though it's now an SQL database. I would've liked to have overheard the discussions about the storage model to go with though. Both when they changed and initially. I think if I were building a Reminders app right now, I'd make it JSON, but that might not be very optimal for larger datasets at all. It'd just be pretty simple to get working quickly

 

[brunozs]

I put my Mojave version up on my iCloud Drive so you can download it from me. I'll delete the online copy when you have it so for future readers the link is probably dead.
Keep in mind that even if it does work it is an unsupported configuration and may have bugs.
When the new versions of Pages came along, the old version kept working for many many releases (may even still), but some UI elements appeared slightly incorrectly. YMMV with this sort of thing.


And for the future, remember that backups are good to have . Time Machine, CCC, whatever you want. You'll have something to revert to, either a whole system or just pieces here and there.

iCloud Drive - Apple iCloud

Store, organize and collaborate on files and folders with iCloud Drive. Easily upload, delete or recover files. Changes will sync across your devices with iCloud.

www.icloud.com

Thank you so much for uploading it! Unfortunately the it didn't work. Apple does not allow me to run it since there is a newer version installed and I can't delete that new version

I guess I'll have to find a third party replacement
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I can't just download 'a copy'. I click on it, but nothing happens.
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Apple ruined this good older reminder application. No export, in import, no good usability. And it seems very buggy also. I still search how to get out of a task. Pressing enter do nothing, pressing esc key seem to reject any changes I make.
I can't believe how the messed everything up.

This new version is the crappiest app that Apple has shipped since Maps.

When I delete a reminder it takes a good 3-4 seconds for it to update. The whole interface is confusing. There's lots of bugs and crashes, and above all it messed up all my previous lists!

What a piece of S*

 

[casperes1996]

Thank you so much for uploading it! Unfortunately the it didn't work. Apple does not allow me to run it since there is a newer version installed and I can't delete that new version

I guess I'll have to find a third party replacement

Sorry it didn't work, but worth the try I suppose.

 

[crjackson2134]

The new Reminders work really well for me. They are fast to update and with a friendlier UI IMHO.

It works well across all of my devices except when I’m booted to Mojave.

Mojave can’t/won’t run the newer version and Catalina can’t/won’t run the older version. It was a very poor transition in my opinion. There should be an option to allow Mojave to sync with iOS 13 and Catalina reminders.

 

[brunozs]

The new Reminders work really well for me. They are fast to update and with a friendlier UI IMHO.

It works well across all of my devices except when I’m booted to Mojave.

Mojave can’t/won’t run the newer version and Catalina can’t/won’t run the older version. It was a very poor transition in my opinion. There should be an option to allow Mojave to sync with iOS 13 and Catalina reminders.

I has lost so much functionality! It baffles me that I can't mass move reminders anymore. Gotta do one by one. Unbelievable!

 

[rorschach]

I has lost so much functionality! It baffles me that I can't mass move reminders anymore. Gotta do one by one. Unbelievable!

Weird; I'm still able to select and move multiple reminders with the new app. Although, I'm on the 10.15.1 beta, so maybe it was fixed?

 

[cool11]

As the situation becomes really dangerous, by losing track of my needed tasks and so on,
please give me a good and trusty alternative commercial task manager application,
to try migrating over there.

If I could import my old exported file from the previous version of reminders (.ics file format), it would be really great.

In order to avoid similar experimental ideas like those of apple's in reminders,
please give me a suggestion with stability, an application that it is here for long, and possibly with future.
An established solution.
I really need it, as I found myself losing important schedules while I try to figure out what is going on with reminders, and I have already lost tasks and actions that I should have taken.

 

[brunozs]

Weird; I'm still able to select and move multiple reminders with the new app. Although, I'm on the 10.15.1 beta, so maybe it was fixed?

Hopefully so!

As the situation becomes really dangerous, by losing track of my needed tasks and so on,
please give me a good and trusty alternative commercial task manager application,
to try migrating over there.

If I could import my old exported file from the previous version of reminders (.ics file format), it would be really great.

In order to avoid similar experimental ideas like those of apple's in reminders,
please give me a suggestion with stability, an application that it is here for long, and possibly with future.
An established solution.
I really need it, as I found myself losing important schedules while I try to figure out what is going on with reminders, and I have already lost tasks and actions that I should have taken.

Theres this app called Things that I've noticed to be on top 10 on the App Store for a long time.

Im giving it and so far it seems to me that Apple's new Reminders app is actually trying to be a (very poor) copy of Things.

‎Things 3

‎Get things done! The award-winning Things app helps you plan your day, manage your projects, and make real progress toward your goals. Best of all, it’s easy to use. Within the hour, you’ll have everything off your mind and neatly organized—from routine tasks to your biggest life goals—and you...

apps.apple.com

 

[aevan]

I did not do the upgrade to the new version. I'm still on iOS 12 and I'm hoping that the Mojave version of Reminders will work just as before. I just don't know where to get it.

I don’t think you can, tbh. You can downgrade to Mojave, though, but that’s a hassle. Perhaps the Reminders are buggy because you didn’t do a full upgrade? Don’t know, really. They work quite well for me.
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Theres this app called Things that I've noticed to be on top 10 on the App Store for a long time.

Things is awesome and I love it, one of my favorite apps. There are a few downsides compared to Reminders - there is no family sharing, Things doesn’t support photo attachments like Reminders and, finally, there is the price. I bought Things for my iPhone, iPad and Mac and - while I certainly don’t regret my purchase - the combined price was 80 dollars! Which is much, much more than what Reminders cost (nothing!). And Reminders are not bad, they are actually quite ok.

With that said, Things is amazing on all three platforms and I really like it. It is my main todo app.

 

[cool11]

Meanwhile, also I discovered fantastical application, seems to be a good one.