[Challenge] Real Chat App with Background process...

[rainmanbk]

At first I was willing to give MC3 a shot. But after the trouble they've had, and just thinking about how it really SHOULD be... I've come to decide that the perfect Chat application is going to need to be written by developers who are willing to release only to the jailbreak community. It simply can't ever work perfectly the way apple has things set up. If apple releases their own chat app and it runs in the background and talks only to AIM servers, then I'll use that. But I don't want any of this middleman crap. It's unnecessarily complex and stupid.

Unfortunately I'm not a programmer, and I doubt I'd be able to accomplish this goal. I'd like to challenge someone to tackle this problem and provide a real proper solution. I'd be willing to pay 5 dollars for something like this. Heck I'd pay 20 if it actually worked the way it should. And 100% of that money would go to you. The app would talk directly to aim, run in the background, and provide instant notifications without the need to run with another service.

I think the success of this type of app and even the availability of something like this is enough reason for anyone who uses aim to jailbreak their iPhone.

 

[italiano40]

no one would ever take that program up first because the AIM app in the app store works just as good as an jailbroken app, second they will be releasing the notification service to the iphone which make it run as a background process with out taking too much of the processes up, plus even after that someone wanted to to do that you would need to pay them for their time to make it, which if it takes them 1=$7.15 minimum wage in NY anyway, this should take someone no more than 7 hours to have it working perfectly your looking at $50.05 for this kind of app

 

[rainmanbk]

no one would ever take that program up first because the AIM app in the app store works just as good as an jailbroken app, second they will be releasing the notification service to the iphone which make it run as a background process with out taking too much of the processes up, plus even after that someone wanted to to do that you would need to pay them for their time to make it, which if it takes them 1=$7.15 minimum wage in NY anyway, this should take someone no more than 7 hours to have it working perfectly your looking at $50.05 for this kind of app

Did you not read my post? Or not understand it?

The AIM app that exists is horrible. When you lock your phone, or exit the app, it is not running and you are signed off. If/when apple implements this server background notification service, that is just another hoop the entire process has to go through. Every other AIM client for mobile phones, as in IM+ etc run in the background. They connect directly to the AIM server, eliminating any problems. The connection is the same as logging on from a computer. This should be no different.

As far as your whole bit about paying them, I didn't understand that. If the app is not for you, then you don't need to concern yourself with it.

 

[mkrishnan]

I can't find any rumors about what exactly is going on with Fring... it was supposed to be the light at the end of the tunnel, and what they released for 1.1.4 wasn't half bad, and then they suddenly went dead silent when 2.0 and the App Store came out.

 

[rainmanbk]

I can't find any rumors about what exactly is going on with Fring... it was supposed to be the light at the end of the tunnel, and what they released for 1.1.4 wasn't half bad, and then they suddenly went dead silent when 2.0 and the App Store came out.

Hmm.. that is interesting. I will try to contact them and see if I can get a straight answer!

EDIT: I quickly found this - http://www.fring.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6756

Seems as if they are still planning/working on something for 2.0.

 

[italiano40]

Did you not read my post? Or not understand it?

The AIM app that exists is horrible. When you lock your phone, or exit the app, it is not running and you are signed off. If/when apple implements this server background notification service, that is just another hoop the entire process has to go through. Every other AIM client for mobile phones, as in IM+ etc run in the background. They connect directly to the AIM server, eliminating any problems. The connection is the same as logging on from a computer. This should be no different.

As far as your whole bit about paying them, I didn't understand that. If the app is not for you, then you don't need to concern yourself with it.

first iphone is miles ahead of other smart phones, because you don't have background process, you don't understand that the next update will have some thing that will fix that called the nofication service that works prefect and i have used aim with that service, second for a programmer to get out of bed for $20 your just insulting programmers like me

 

[mkrishnan]

second for a programmer to get out of bed for $20 your just insulting programmers like me

Well, I don't know about programmers like you, but I would think most programmers would intend to sell more than one copy of their application. And it seems like App Store developers are doing reasonably well financially....

 

[rainmanbk]

first iphone is miles ahead of other smart phones, because you don't have background process, you don't understand that the next update will have some thing that will fix that called the nofication service that works prefect and i have used aim with that service, second for a programmer to get out of bed for $20 your just insulting programmers like me

Yes because I am the only one who would buy it. Don't tell me I don't understand. You're the one who doesn't understand. The background notification service is stupid and a bad way to do things. Why should all my data need to go through Apple's server. The way apple chose to go about background processes and avoiding them is really stupid. Apps should be allowed to run in the background for exactly this reason; the alternative method sucks.

 

[italiano40]

Yes because I am the only one who would buy it. Don't tell me I don't understand. You're the one who doesn't understand. The background notification service is stupid and a bad way to do things. Why should all my data need to go through Apple's server. The way apple chose to go about background processes and avoiding them is really stupid. Apps should be allowed to run in the background for exactly this reason; the alternative method sucks.

no you don't understand, not having background process make the iphone what it is, also i have personally tested the notification service and it is A+,

 

[rainmanbk]

no you don't understand, not having background process make the iphone what it is, also i have personally tested the notification service and it is A+,

Having one application 'chat app' running in the background is not going to be the end of stability on mobile os x.

And I'd LOVE to hear about your 'personal test' with Apple's notification service that no one has heard anything further about.

 

[ViViDboarder]

Having one application 'chat app' running in the background is not going to be the end of stability on mobile os x.

And I'd LOVE to hear about your 'personal test' with Apple's notification service that no one has heard anything further about.

He already told you he's a developer. You've got a really nasty tone to your posts buddy.

The whole concept of Push services instead of background processes is an interesting concept. When anyone does SMS messaging or even AIM on other phones, they rely on a similar concept. A MotoRZR doesn't run AIM with a persistant connection in the background. A message gets pushed to the phone through a SMS from AIM to ATT to your phone anyways. So I don't see how this is worse going from AIM to Apple to your phone.

I'm sure if "The Cloud" idea doesn't end up all it's cracked up to be, we'll see plenty of Native apps with background AIM processes. At the moment, I think the developers are embracing the idea because everyone who is in the development environment (therefore more knowledgeable than you or I on this topic) thinks that it's a better solution.

 

[italiano40]

Having one application 'chat app' running in the background is not going to be the end of stability on mobile os x.

And I'd LOVE to hear about your 'personal test' with Apple's notification service that no one has heard anything further about.

since being an iphone developer and getting the notification service API and putting into my app it works great and let me tell you when it is almost like it is running in the background
unless your writing shady stuff on aim this is the best solution i think

He already told you he's a developer. You've got a really nasty tone to your posts buddy.

The whole concept of Push services instead of background processes is an interesting concept. When anyone does SMS messaging or even AIM on other phones, they rely on a similar concept. A MotoRZR doesn't run AIM with a persistant connection in the background. A message gets pushed to the phone through a SMS from AIM to ATT to your phone anyways. So I don't see how this is worse going from AIM to Apple to your phone.

I'm sure if "The Cloud" idea doesn't end up all it's cracked up to be, we'll see plenty of Native apps with background AIM processes. At the moment, I think the developers are embracing the idea because everyone who is in the development environment (therefore more knowledgeable than you or I on this topic) thinks that it's a better solution.

thank you for seeing my point some people don't know how to act in a forum

 

[Cromulent]

Yes because I am the only one who would buy it. Don't tell me I don't understand. You're the one who doesn't understand. The background notification service is stupid and a bad way to do things. Why should all my data need to go through Apple's server. The way apple chose to go about background processes and avoiding them is really stupid. Apps should be allowed to run in the background for exactly this reason; the alternative method sucks.

Actually due to the limited resources available on the iPhone allowing background applications is an extremely bad idea. Would you rather your iPhone worked properly and only allowed one application at a time or would you rather it crashed a lot and allowed many background applications?

Apples system is a rather elegant solution to a tough choice.