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Xenobius

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jdb8167

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This isn't based on any testing. It is just an informed guess. I love that they literally just doubled the 8-core GPU score.

Edit: What the hell is iGPU anyway? Is that a benchmark suite?
 

GrumpyCoder

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Not sure if this is real, doesn’t look that impressive to be honest considering its for high-end machines. If it’s really limited to 32GB, big meh. Bring on the M2 for the Mac and Mac Pro.
 
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jdb8167

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Not sure if this is real, doesn’t look that impressive to be honest considering its for high-end machines. If it’s really limited to 32GB, big meh. Bring on the M2 for the Mac and Mac Pro.
If this is real (which I doubt), then the bottleneck is 2-channel LPDDR4 memory for a 16 core GPU. That wouldn't produce particularly impressive graphics performance.
 

PPietra

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like others said they are just guessing and in a bad way, and kind of dishonest since they don’t assume it.
For example with the data that they presented, it is just not possible to obtain a Cinebench multi-core score of 14400. With simple math and using M1 scores to aid: single-core = 1514; 4 little cores minimum = 1700; 8 cores maximum = 12100; Total maximum = 13800. Since more cores don’t increase performance in a 100% efficient way, we would expect something significantly lower than 13800. My best guess it would be between 12200 - 12800
 

JMacHack

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Not sure if this is real, doesn’t look that impressive to be honest considering its for high-end machines. If it’s really limited to 32GB, big meh. Bring on the M2 for the Mac and Mac Pro.
If you consider a 16-inch laptop “high end”. Rumors also say this is for the entry level iMac. Cool your jets my guy.
Also, the memory limit is to be expected, the m1 has a hard limit of 16gb, doubling the firestorm cores would yield 32gb limit.
 

Argon_

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If this is real (which I doubt), then the bottleneck is 2-channel LPDDR4 memory for a 16 core GPU. That wouldn't produce particularly impressive graphics performance.
They could go quad channel, up to 64GB. That would match the current max spec 16's RAM capacity, and improve GPU performance.
 

fastlanephil

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I’m expecting more like a 25% to 50% boost in single/multi CPU speeds and probably a doubling of the memory limit.
 

dmccloud

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If you consider a 16-inch laptop “high end”. Rumors also say this is for the entry level iMac. Cool your jets my guy.
Also, the memory limit is to be expected, the m1 has a hard limit of 16gb, doubling the firestorm cores would yield 32gb limit.

Doubling the cores on its own would have no effect on the RAM limit, that would be a function of the SoC design and how much room is allocated for RAM on the die itself. Obviously adding more cores necessitates a larger die size for the SoC. Technically Apple could have supported up to 32GB (even 64GB) RAM with the M1 had they just made the SoC die larger. But they intended the M1 to be the entry level Mac (essentially the gateway Mac for many switchers), which is why 16GB is the upper limit.
 
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PPietra

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I’m expecting more like a 25% to 50% boost in single/multi CPU speeds and probably a doubling of the memory limit.
A 25% to 50% boost in single/multi CPU (clock) speeds would have a very big impact in power consumption, over the already big impact of increasing the number of cores.
It is not very likely that they would do that for the MacBook Pro since it would probably mean worse power consumption than what AMD laptop processors achieve, and it would also mean a noisy fan and a big battery.
They just don’t need to do something like that, keeping the same clock speed will probably be enough to surpass any current laptop processor performance. At best they would boost just a little bit (<10%) the single-core clock speed to have better single-threaded performance than the M1, but speed would decrease when all cores are active to keep power consumption under 30W for the CPU cores.
Having the bragging rights of achieving better performance while consuming less is what Apple is aiming for, is what made the M1 a success...
 
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pshufd

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True or not, it would meet my requirements for an upgrade from my 2015 MacBook Pro 15. The CPU and GPU are quite a bit more than I would need and I would be quite happy with 32 GB of RAM. The form factor could be Mini, or MacBook Pro or even iMac.
 
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