I have run into the same delema. I want to use these movies for the same purpose, but the procesess I have found have been more time involved than I feel is worth it. Everything I have found takes you doing at least 2 conversions to get the final output. and these take hrs (atleast on my 400 MGZ G4)!!! I haven't tried it in a while just cause it was so frustrating for me. I don't know what else to say besides check versiontracker. I think you can find what you need there. as I recall, your options were only getting it to avi if you were lucky. I was only ablt to get it to another format (i can't recall which sorry) then was only video. then I had to try to get the audio. then mix them and try to convert them to something else. I do recall another app that let me go directly to avi (if I recall), but was a little choppy and didn't work for all. Sorry I am so vuage here, but I honestly don't recall the details, execpt that hassel it was!