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wesleyh

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Could imac possibly get a core i7 cpu?

These sites are looking only at the CPU itself — which, logically, should run hotter under many circumstances due to the fact that it integrates so many components which weren’t on the CPU chip (calling it an SoC - “System on a Chip” — would be much more accurate than calling it a regular processor) in previous generations e.g. Core 2 — not the entire chipset, which actually *reduces* the space, power and heat produced by the system.

We did hear that a lot of work has gone into the new cooling system, which takes back all of the space saved by the new chipset and other components which are also smaller than their predecessors….in fact, said cooling design is apparently more responsible for the “delays” in bringing this system to market than any other factor.

All that said; we can’t say with absolute certainty that the machines we get sneak peeks at in the prototype stage will be brought to market essentially unchanged. Small differences are almost a certainty — but something as big as rolling back to dual-core Nehalem only would be one heck of a big change.

As for power concerns….yes, the high-end 2.93GHz quad-core Nehalem desktop chip draws more peak/avg power than all other versions — 130 watts versus 90. However, its temperature levels aren’t necessarily quite as high as people seem to think. Several new technologies introduced in Nehalem, from disabling individual cores entirely when not in use to dynamically scaling each core’s clock speeds independently, among *many* other things…..make it quite unlikely that the temperature of these new chips will remotely resemble older chips, even a single generation older, with similar power dissipation levels.

http://macosrumors.com/2009/01/30/u...quad-core-what-else-will-be-new/#comment-1186

I'm not sure if you know what you are talking about here. i7 concentrates the power budget in one place but it is not excessive bad. If you consider that the memory controller is on die as is one of the bridges, you would realize that i7 is more of a 100 watt processor (subtracting out the built in functionality). Maybe not even a 100 watt processor as some of Intels bridges are extremely power hungry. All that happens with i& is that the power is concentrated onto one device instead of being spread out over two or more..

So what does that mean for iMac? I7 is a real possibility and might actually lower overall power dissipation. It really depends upon what Apple and Nvidia come up with for the GPU/Bridge chip. I actually could see over all power usage actually being lower than many here seem to suspect. Part of that comes from thermal design power being difficult to hit in a quad core for normal desktop duties.

Couple all of this with the rumors that Apple has looked at new heat sinking technology and one wold have to suspect that they are at least considering i7 in iMac. Of course they could have an entirely different machine under development too. As many have pointed out Apple needs an i7 solution to fill the widening gap between this processor and the hardware that came before it. Even the new Quads for small form factor machines won't fill the gap, though they would make an ideal Mini (Hint Apple).

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showpost.php?p=1373178&postcount=9
 

One can but dream but I don't think, on this update, we'll see them due to the heat issues that they generate. I suspect/hope that if we see the implementation of Core i7 it will be on the update/revision after this one - possibly late 2009 but wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't in the first quarter of 2010. I'm basing this on the fact that the mobile version of these chips are apparently due third quarter of 2009 - and that's assuming Apple continue using mobile componenets for the iMac range - but who knows, maybe Apple will pull something out of the bag.

As a footnote, I've got the cash in hand to buy a new top of the range iMac but I'm able to hold out for a major revision - if the Core i7 chips were introduced in this update I'd be at the front of the que - however if they're not (which I suspect) I'll hang on for the next update / major revision.
 
Not a chance, it'd require a complete architectural (and probably design) change, you're gonna have to wait till the update-after-this-one to get your hands on this.
 
I don't see Core i7 hitting the iMac market until the mainstream version on the cheaper sockets hit the shelves which is I believe the end of 2009.

At the moment the 1366 sockets are for enthusiasts with a smaller socket coming later that will be overclocker unfriendly but also cheaper.
 
We're hoping Apple puts 65W penryn quad-cores and crossing our fingers they can come up with a cooling system to support 65W. I highly doubt they could even entertain a 130W TDP i7 processor, let alone the x58 Chipset and ICH10R southbridge, which also consumes quite a bit of power. The increase in wattage would mean a larger power supply, which means even more heat.
 
I agree with Skil

While Apple has been creative with software, they are conservative when it comes to hardware. I would be VERY happy to see an iMac Core i7 and I would buy it! But I do not see it happening. While it is very remote, I see a higher chance that Apple would come out with a mid-tower. Personally I think they should change their line up and make the Pro a mini tower and the current Pro form a sort high end workstation. But that is speculation....
 
The imacs, will, eventually, get quad core nehalem based chips. Probably in the next revision, but they may still be laptop chips.
 
The imacs, will, eventually, get quad core nehalem based chips. Probably in the next revision, but they may still be laptop chips.
A quad core in an imac would be nice, I would go out and buy one tomorrow if they put one in!
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iMac may well get a quad core, but probably not core i7

Intel just released some quad core chips that are essentially two core duos on a chip (I forget the name). NOT nehalem. They would be a boost, certainly. But not the sort of boost you would get with Core i7. I think the odds are good that Apple will use these mid-range quads (they use much less power).
 
An i7 would be very nice, at the moment I can't decide between a mac pro or an imac, and if the i7 went in the iMac I think my decision would definately swing towards it!
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Well just to play along, one could speculate that the hold up in manufacturing the next gen imacs that has been talked about may be related to some sort of liquid cooling system for Core i7 (like the one Apple submitted a patent for in Dec.). It is fun to hope...
 
The imacs, will, eventually, get quad core nehalem based chips. Probably in the next revision, but they may still be laptop chips.

Yes, but that's pretty far out, unless Apple gets on a much faster development cycle than they seem to be at present.

Intel just released some quad core chips that are essentially two core duos on a chip (I forget the name). NOT nehalem. They would be a boost, certainly. But not the sort of boost you would get with Core i7. I think the odds are good that Apple will use these mid-range quads (they use much less power).

Those are quad-core Penryns, and they've been out for months. I expect the next iMacs will offer them in some models, but if Apple is that far behind the curve on Penryns how long will it take before we see Nehalems once they're released?
 
Yes, but that's pretty far out, unless Apple gets on a much faster development cycle than they seem to be at present.



Those are quad-core Penryns, and they've been out for months. I expect the next iMacs will offer them in some models, but if Apple is that far behind the curve on Penryns how long will it take before we see Nehalems once they're released?

I think apple will get these chips quickly. They've been on the ball more and more with new technology (i.e. DDR3 laptops).
 
Well just to play along, one could speculate that the hold up in manufacturing the next gen imacs that has been talked about may be related to some sort of liquid cooling system for Core i7 (like the one Apple submitted a patent for in Dec.). It is fun to hope...

that stuck out to me reading one of the comments from one of the above links.
the concern over heat could explain all the ruckus over the cooling system, unless that patent was for the Pro
the guy said "we have been able to confirm once & for all that the new iMacs will indeed have four-core Nehalem processors with the associated improved motherboards."
I hope he's right
 
"100W" is still too hot. Even 65 W is iffy—and that's for the 24".

55 W (3.07 GHz Core 2 Duo) is the highest we know that can fit in the 24". Higher TDPs may be possible.

And if you can fit a 130W chip in the current case without it melting, go right ahead.
Then we can see the PowerBook G5.
 
I thought the iMac used 65W TDP chips. Best we will get is the new low power quad cores.
 

I read your comment. There is no way that Apple would push the update even more away. iMac's and Mini's HW is so outdated now.

I decided to wait for end of March, if no update I will build a nice quad-core Hackintosh for me. Big mistake from Apple if no new desktops soon.

That article is ********. We have proofs that new ones should come in this quarter.

I'm really starting to be frustrated...
 
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