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nickdalzell1

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I just updated to iOS 14, and tried to enable the Covid exposure thing. It says it's not available in my area (U.S., State of Kentucky).

Should I take this is a good or bad thing? Nowhere in the articles I read about it does it mention it not being available or what to do in absence of it. Not sure how to take it? I mean if you watch our local news it's all doom and gloom but in other news sources they say cases are dropping, and things are set to open up by summer (such as our Friday After 5 event being declared open in Summer, albeit with masks and other measures)
 
Your ‘area’ has to have first made a further ‘tracking’ app available which then makes use of this apple API to monitor.

In the UK we have a number, made available by English/Welsh government, Scottish government and N Ireland government.
Some other European countries have also issued tracking apps.

Has the US set up anything similar ?
If so, is it across all states ?
 
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I would think since the U.S. is like one of the WORST countries as far as cases are going, that something would have come by now, unless this is a sign of good times ahead?

Aren't there supposed to be 'express' notifications that don't depend on an app?

The Android variant of the feature (Covid-19 Exposure Alerts, part of the latest version of Google Search/Assistant) has been live for a long time now. Doesn't depend on any health dept activating anything? I never turned it on to test though (have been back to my iPhone for the last month)
 
Are you sure about the Android version ?
My understanding is that both ‘apis’ work in the same fundamental way BUT both rely on country specific apps to take advantage.

The api is useless without that.

As regards what is happening in the US, I can’t help, I’m in the UK, but I would imagine any Covid ‘tracking’ app, if available, would be advertised like you wouldn’t believe and citizens would be urged to download and install that app, Android or IOS.
 
I would think since the U.S. is like one of the WORST countries as far as cases are going, that something would have come by now, unless this is a sign of good times ahead?

Aren't there supposed to be 'express' notifications that don't depend on an app?

The Android variant of the feature (Covid-19 Exposure Alerts, part of the latest version of Google Search/Assistant) has been live for a long time now. Doesn't depend on any health dept activating anything? I never turned it on to test though (have been back to my iPhone for the last month)
There's basically no one using the apps even in areas where they're available, so the notifications are of no value.
 
Your ‘area’ has to have first made a further ‘tracking’ app available which then makes use of this apple API to monitor.
And, @nickdalzell1, it appears Kentucky decided to skip that step.

There's basically no one using the apps even in areas where they're available, so the notifications are of no value.
Opt-in is hit-and-miss, very miss in this situation.
 
So I can take this as good news then?

It's really confusing. So far if you turn on cable news (spectrum 1) shows a lot of gloom and doom, so does Eyewitness News (our local broadcast station) and 14WFIE also. But pick up a Messenger Enquirer newspaper the story does a total 180 and says stuff is opening up. Go outside and despite there being no such recommendation, folks by themselves walking on the sidewalk have masks on.

Something just doesn't feel right. I don't know what to trust anymore. I hoped I could enable this stupid thing and know for sure but it's useless.
 
I know I ain't sick. I just hoped to use this feature to know if there is an issue here or not that I can't get from the news as the stories keep conflicting all the time. I don't know whether things are getting better or worse.

That's all. I hoped this feature would give me less biased results. Maybe the fact our own health dept. hasn't made it available is telling but who knows?
 
So I can take this as good news then?
The exposure thing is only an underlying technology that requires that your government actually takes advantage of it; so no, there's really no news at all here (more than your local government not taking advantage of this feature).

Think of it as being outside during a heatwave. Not having a thermometer won't save you from getting a heatstroke etc; and this is like that, meaning that you're still in a pandemic no matter if you can get a notification about confirmed exposure or not.
 
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I just think it's odd how we still got plenty of restrictions yet this feature hasn't gone live. Then there's just the confusion in the news.
 
I hoped I could enable this stupid thing and know for sure but it's useless.

As stated above, it your state decides whether to implement it or not.

My state has activated it, but the app has never given me any notifications. I am following the guidelines for those who have been vaccinated. Still wearing masks in public, maintaining social distancing, avoiding crowds and anyone not masked. The only change is that I can now do small group socialization with those who have been fully vaccinated.
 
As stated above, it your state decides whether to implement it or not.

My state has activated it, but the app has never given me any notifications. I am following the guidelines for those who have been vaccinated. Still wearing masks in public, maintaining social distancing, avoiding crowds and anyone not masked. The only change is that I can now do small group socialization with those who have been fully vaccinated.
Generally speaking the concept of these exposure notifications is great; but practically speaking it just doesn't work as intended, simply because even when available it requires too many steps to get to a critical mass of users (which must then also input enough good data).

As someone that has an interest in regions where people are persecuted/tracked I absolutely understand Apple and Google wanting to get the underlying technology just right; but we ended up with something that the local governments simply don't have the IT tactical teams to take advantage of. So it all got lost in muddled politics.

I still think that Apple and Google did right as things were/are now.

If this pandemic had made politicians full on crazy about opening up all platforms to easy tracking we could have ended up with an absolute disaster lasting decades afterwards; where in many regions opting out of tracking would have instantly made you treated as a criminal.
 
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Generally speaking the concept of these exposure notifications is great; but practically speaking it just doesn't work as intended, simply because even when available it requires too many steps to get to a critical mass of users (which must then also input enough good data).

As someone that has an interest in regions where people are persecuted/tracked I absolutely understand Apple and Google wanting to get the underlying technology just right; but we ended up with something that the local governments simply don't have the IT tactical teams to take advantage of. So it all got lost in muddled politics.

I still think that Apple and Google did right as things were/are now.

If this pandemic had made politicians full on crazy about opening up all platforms to easy tracking we could have ended up with an absolute disaster lasting decades afterwards; where in many regions opting out of tracking would have instantly made you treated as a criminal.
This is a very sensible summary.

Broadly speaking, Apple and Google made smart decisions in designing these APIs/utilities. In retrospect, confusion could have been avoided if various local and national governments had embraced these solutions earlier, rather than making ill-fated attempts at their own 'in house' versions. In retrospect, there were unrealistic expectations about how useful exposure notifications would be - I think it has become clear over time that they are a potentially useful secondary tool that has very little cost to human freedom, but not a decisive weapon against the virus.

I repeated 'in retrospect' because although some different, better decisions could have been taken, for the most part I think everyone was basically acting in good faith trying to solve a very complex biological, technical, social and legal problem at great speed. Should, God forbid, there ever be a need for a similar app again, a sound foundation has been laid.

That you haven't received a notification is no assurance you have not been exposed to the virus. The feature is useless.
I feel that this is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the app does and what it is supposed to do. It was never going to provide definitive information on your Covid status, positive or negative. It is simply one source of information amongst many. To receive a notification that you have likely been around someone who does have Covid is useful, actionable information. It's far from infallible and may well prove to be a false alarm, but it's useful guidance that you should probably get a test, and limit contact with others as much as possible until you know more.

Of course, it would be a more powerful if more people used it, but still, if even only a relatively small number of people discover that they are potentially exposed and act sensibly, that's better than nothing.

Few of our tools for tackling Covid are perfect - exposure notifications, lateral flows, PCRs, vaccines, masks, hand washing, etc. It's all just a tradeoff between preventing the spread of the virus whilst minimising disruption of our lives.
 
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