The Nikon D50 kit and the Olympus E-500 kit are going for the same price here. What do you think?
Couldn't disagree more with the others. I'd say the D50 is the better choice, and quite frankly IMO its the best entry-level dSLR you can buy (and then some).
As for the Olympus having better kit lenses - well that is just wrong, the bundled 18-55mm is just great with the D50 and for the price it can't be beaten. The 18-70mm is even better and much better than the Olympus. The only advantage the Olympus has is the wide angle, but then either of the Nikons can go further. More lens choice with Nikon (although there is good choice with Olympus too).
The D50 kit lens has superbly low barrel distortion for such a cheap lens. Better than any other bundled lens.
As for the dust removal system, not that it isn't a good thing, but it is over-rated. Dust is NOT as much of an issue as people make it out to be (unless you change lenses in stupid conditions, in which case what do you expect?).
Higher resolution isn't needed in such a camera and it won't advantage you unless you are continually shooting above A3 size. The Nikon also has MUCH better high ISO performance which to any serious photographer, is a much better feature than an extra 2MP.
The Olympus is lighter than the D50, but it is smaller also which is not good for anyone with medium-large hands. I found it paricularly uncomfortable to use when I tried it, although not as bad as the Canon 350D.
The Olympus has a poorer viewfinder which I found to be very cramped and I also missed the lack of a status LCD. You have to preview your settings on the LCD monitor which can be awkward in some situations. This contrasts with it having a better rear LCD of 2.5" and much better resolution than the Nikon, but what do you mainly compose with. I find having a better viewfinder to be much more important.
The Olympus also uses XD/CF - whilst not a huge issue, neither are as good as SD and XD is not as cheap. For a decent CF card (similar to a good SD card's speed) you have to pay the price.
The Olympus has a longer switch on delay (~2secs) whearas the D50 is virtually instant.
The Nikon has a 420 area metering sensor compared to the Olympus 49 area. Although this isn't that much of an issue to be honest.
Nikon has 5-point AF compared to Olympus 3-point AF.
The Nikon has a larger shutter range amd better flash sync with up to 1/500 compared to 1/180.
The Olympus also only has USB 1.1 compared to USB 2.0 on the Nikon. This means much slower file transfers and more battery used up if connecting the camera directly too the computer to transfer files.
I think I'll also add that the fact that the Olympus uses the rear LCD to display settings as it lacks the status LCD on top means that it also has a shorter battery life as this LCD draws more power. This is obviously dependant on how much you use it though!
Just a summary of my thoughts. I'd say go with the D50 but thats personal preference. The MOST important thing is to go to a camera shop and try holding them and practice with it. See what is most comfortable. I would NEVER buy a camera based on any reviews without previewing them in the 'flesh' first.
Hope this helps.
Thanks, David
The E-500 has 2 more mp, dust cleaner, focus bracketing, DOF preview, Kelvin white balance, mirror lock and much better LCD.
But I think noise might be better on the D50.
The Olympus 7-14 means you can go a bit wider than any APS-C camera. But a lot more expensive!
Another issue is that no Olympus DSLR is supported By DxO. And this software is one of the main reasons to go digital.
As for the dust removal system, not that it isn't a good thing, but it is over-rated. Dust is NOT as much of an issue as people make it out to be (unless you change lenses in stupid conditions, in which case what do you expect?).
davidjearly said:The Olympus is lighter than the D50, but it is smaller also which is not good for anyone with medium-large hands. I found it paricularly uncomfortable to use when I tried it, although not as bad as the Canon 350D.
davidjearly said:The Olympus has a poorer viewfinder which I found to be very cramped and I also missed the lack of a status LCD. You have to preview your settings on the LCD monitor which can be awkward in some situations. This contrasts with it having a better rear LCD of 2.5" and much better resolution than the Nikon, but what do you mainly compose with. I find having a better viewfinder to be much more important.
davidjearly said:The Olympus has a longer switch on delay (~2secs) whearas the D50 is virtually instant.
davidjearly said:The Olympus also only has USB 1.1 compared to USB 2.0 on the Nikon. This means much slower file transfers and more battery used up if connecting the camera directly too the computer to transfer files.
davidjearly said:I think I'll also add that the fact that the Olympus uses the rear LCD to display settings as it lacks the status LCD on top means that it also has a shorter battery life as this LCD draws more power. This is obviously dependant on how much you use it though!
Yes. DxO Optics Pro.
I don't mind scanning if the result is better, at a certain budget and camera bulk level.
It sucks that DxO does not support any pocketable cameras (no need to be ultracompact for being pocketable).
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That's why I bought a USB 2.0 card reader. No need to transfer directly from camera's slow USB 1.1 speed and you don't suck up battery power.
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Have had my Olympus for over a year and haven't had one dust problem. I dunno, maybe I just take care with the camera. But, as it has been said, if dust isn't a big deal as some make it out to be, then why have Sony and Canon introduced anti dust solutions?
When I was shopping for a dSLR, the E-500 felt the best in my hands compared to the E-1 and E-300. Although, I did like the feel of the Canon 20D better.
"Poorer"? Viewfinder is fine for me. Yea it's a little small, but you get used it. But it's definitely bigger compared to viewfinders is small digi cams.
I never understood this worry about this 2 second delay. Sure it isn't instant, but it's only 2 seconds. Not that big of deal, IMO.
That's why I bought a USB 2.0 card reader. No need to transfer directly from camera's slow USB 1.1 speed and you don't suck up battery power.
This is true, yes. Although in my experience the battery last longer than one would imagine. Besides you can turn the LCD off and just the use the viewfinder's info.
So are we in agreement here or not? Just as a side note, (I have admitted that the addition of a noise removal system can only be a good thing btw), but the reason manufacturers introduce these things into their products is to try and lure customers who DO feel that it is a big deal.
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The point is, that the extra 2 sec delay could result in a particular shot being missed. A lot can happen in those two seconds.
Thats all very well, but many people don't like the concept of having to carry additional equipment to get the job done. The point is, there is no reason other than cutting corners that Olympus left out USB2.0. If it did implement USB2.0, the battery thing isn't much of a problem even when transferring several GB's of data.
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As I mentioned in my earlier post, I've been using an E-1 for 3 years and the dust reduction system works just fine and shooting here in Floriduh, there is a lot of dust with all the construction plus the sand. I've had only good results and it certainly avoids damage to the sensor by someone cleaning it on their own.
As far as the delay, do you completely shut down your PowerBook and MacBook? That seems pretty rare. When I use my E-1, I start it and let it go to sleep. It wakes quickly, just as my PowerBook does. I only miss the shot if I'm asleep.
Olympus cut corners on the USB connection. Supposedly they implemented USB 2.0 but only have it running at 12 Mbps, for whatever reason, but I suspect it has to do with battery life. I use a card reader, which is smaller than my mobile phone. I wouldn't even consider transferring photos by attaching the camera because I can be shooting while the photos are being transferred since I can slide another CF card into the camera and I have less of a chance to miss a shot.
I'm still a bit surprised that people don't use card readers as much as people complain about not being able to transfer their photos because the battery is dead and they can't find their AC adapter.
So are we in agreement here or not? Just as a side note, (I have admitted that the addition of a noise removal system can only be a good thing btw), but the reason manufacturers introduce these things into their products is to try and lure customers who DO feel that it is a big deal.
davidjearly said:Yes, poorer, as in inferior quality. Most compacts don't have a viewfinder so what is your point exactly. It is unnecessarily small on the Olympus.
davidjearly said:The point is, that the extra 2 sec delay could result in a particular shot being missed. A lot can happen in those two seconds.
davidjearly said:Thats all very well, but many people don't like the concept of having to carry additional equipment to get the job done. The point is, there is no reason other than cutting corners that Olympus left out USB2.0. If it did implement USB2.0, the battery thing isn't much of a problem even when transferring several GB's of data.
davidjearly said:The battery doesn't last any longer than any other dSLR battery. Yeah, you can turn the LCD off and control the camera through the viewfinder but it is quite difficult to change settings when you've got the camera help to your eye to say the least. The point is, you need to leave the LCD on while you change settings, which for many people, is quite often.
I don't think they even make an AC adapter for the E-500. I think I read tht in FAQs on their site.
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I'm not sure what you mean by inferior quality. But doesn't the size of the viewfinder have to do with the size of the sensor? I was at a beach taking pictures and this lady came up to me to take a picture of her and some friends with her Nikon film SLR. Now that viewfinder was VERY large. I then tried out a Canon 5D at a store, and I noticed it wasn't much bigger that my camera. Maybe I have to compare the two side by side so can see the same view and check the crop factor between the two.
I suppose certain situations would benefit from an instant start up (provided the camera is off), such as sports or something "fast". Then again, that's not my preferred subject to shoot, I guess it's not as important to me right now.
Point taken. I do wonder why Olympus didn't offer USB 2.0 Although having plenty of storage cards can help. (and I see you brought up that point as well)
IMO, it's fairly simple to change some of the settings through the viewfinder alone. I try to get use to doing that so I don't have to move my eye from the viewfinder. Sorta off topic here, but I do wish some manual settings in the camera were more readily available. Like to switch to manual focus you have to go through the menus on the LCD. On others brands I think you just have to flip a switch thing on the lens.
(Actually I just realized that you and bousozoku already answered some of these )