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Dell has announced Ivy EP workstations

theSeb

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I must say that if I was looking for serious horsepower, then it would be hard to justify staying on Apple hardware due to OS X love when you can have something like this

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/dell-precision-m4800-m6800-workstation,news-45423.html

Dell's Precision desktops are also being updated, in this case to the Ivy Bridge-EP processors, and also feature a slight case redesign from the previous T5600, adding another drive bay (an item we specifically mentioned in our review of the 5600.) The desktop update also features enhanced memory speeds (up to 1866) and enhanced capacities (up to 512 GB in the T7610, and doubling the DIMM slots in the T3610 up to 8.) The T7610 will also be capable of powering up to three high-end GPUs, including powering two Nvidia Quadro K6000 cards when they become available in October.

Other new additions to the desktop machines are options for a Micron PCIe SSD card and an Intel Xeon Phi 3210A card, as well as Intel's Cache Acceleration Software-Workstation (CAS-W) and the Dell Performance Optimizer software for automatically tuning the performance of your workstation based on profiles they have developed for many professional applications.
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Seems Dell has continued to be competitive and trying to strengthen their foothold on the pro market still offering user upgradeability and multiple choices.
 
theSeb said:
I must say that if I was looking for serious horsepower, then it would be hard to justify staying on Apple hardware due to OS X love when you can have something like this
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I failed to see how the launch of Ivy Bridge-E processors had anything to do with Mac Pro since these are high-end Core i7 models which Apple had never used in the Mac products before. Moreover, the anandtech review of the 4960X did not paint a glowing picture:
My biggest complaint about IVB-E isn't that it's bad; it's just that it could be so much more. With a modern chipset, an affordable 6-core variant (and/or a high-end 8-core option) and at least using a current gen architecture, this ultra high-end enthusiast platform could be very compelling. Unfortunately it's just not that today.
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Just because Apple failed to update the MP line for the last few years doesn't make Ivy Bridge-E compelling. The root problem is that Intel has very little incentive to focus on the ultra high-end desktop processors given the overall trend of desktop PCs. It's hard to believe that Westmere-EP core is only two generations behind the upcoming Ivy Bridge-EP product lineup. Also surprised that current NVIDIA drivers still haven't enabled PCIe 3.0 for their Kepler GPUs as the review mentioned.
 
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xcodeSyn said:
I failed to see how the launch of Ivy Bridge-E processors had anything to do with Mac Pro since these are high-end Core i7 models which Apple had never used in the Mac products before.
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None of these products are using Ivy Bridge-E, they are using EP. Just bad reporting.
 
It looks like BOXX is shipping the E5 v2 Xeons though. Got an email today.

The configuration I was hoping to setup in the nMP was $7032 - single w7000 -$8K for 2x w7000) :eek:

10 core - 2.8 --> $1813 addon from boxx)
32 gb ram
W7000
240 SSD
 
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spaz8 said:
It looks like BOXX is shipping the Ivy E Xeons though. Got an email today.

The configuration I was hoping to setup in the nMP was $7300-8K :eek:

10 core - 2.8
32 gb ram
W7000
240 SSD
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There is no such thing as an E XEON CPU. E stands for "Enthusiast" and the E CPUs are 4 and 6 core. There is no E CPU currently beyond 6 cores. There are 3 Ivy Bridge E CPUs that have been announced by Intel:
Core i7-4960X (6 core)
Core i7-4930K (6 core)
Core i7-4820K (4 core)


The CPUs are you referring to are XEON EP. I think EP stands for "Enterprise Platform", but I don't remember now.
 
HP Z820 line updated with Ivy too, including a Thunderbolt card for desktops.

It seems having both slots and Thunderbolt in a workstation actually is technically possible. :rolleyes:
 
theSeb said:
Everyday we live and learn. :) Thanks.

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/7214/xeon-e52600-v2-price-list-server-ivy-bridgeep

2687 is a 150W CPU. I believe that they will only use a max of 130W so we're likely to see some sort of options like the 2643 /2650 /2667/2690/2697 or some combination of these based on price.
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Can anyone tell me why the 2667 is so much more expensive than the 2643, given that the only difference on paper is a clock speed that's .2 GHz lower?
 
theSeb said:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7214/xeon-e52600-v2-price-list-server-ivy-bridgeep

2687 is a 150W CPU. I believe that they will only use a max of 130W so we're likely to see some sort of options like the 2643 /2650 /2667/2690/2697 or some combination of these based on price.
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There would be no reason to offer any 6-core E5-2600V2 CPU when the E5-1650 V2 is cheaper and superior. Even the 8-cores are going to look silly because of the price on them compared to the E5-2650 V2.

E5-1620 V2, E5-1650 V2 and E5-2697 V2 covers a lot of ground. I'd probably only add theE5-2670 v2 to that and you've got an Apple type line of CPU options.

3.7x4
3.5x6 +$500
2.5x10 +$1,200
2.7x12 + $2,000

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clamnectar said:
Can anyone tell me why the 2667 is so much more expensive than the 2643, given that the only difference on paper is a clock speed that's .2 GHz lower?
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2667 is a 6-core, 2643 is a 4-core ($1,550 vs. $900)

2667 V2 is an 8-core, 2643 V2 is a 6-core ($2,050 vs. $1,550)
 
Umbongo said:
There would be no reason to offer any 6-core E5-2600V2 CPU when the E5-1650 V2 is cheaper and superior. Even the 8-cores are going to look silly because of the price on them compared to the E5-2650 V2.

E5-1620 V2, E5-1650 V2 and E5-2697 V2 covers a lot of ground. I'd probably only add theE5-2670 v2 to that and you've got an Apple type line of CPU options.

3.7x4
3.5x6 +$500
2.5x10 +$1,200
2.7x12 + $2,000
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I concur except perhaps on the 10-core variant. If I was Product Manager I might go for the 2680 v2 (2.8x10) at a $1400 premium.

In fact, I could see two base models

Entry Level:
3.7x4 with 8GB/256GB at $2499
BTO of 3.5x6 at +$500

High-end:
2.8x10 with 16GB/512GB at $4499
BTO of 2.7x12 at +$700

(Assuming the GPU options are BTO in both cases).
 
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Good points. The 1620 and 1650 are very similar to current options. 2697 for only $2000+ I would love to see it, but I have doubts.
 
theSeb said:
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/7214/xeon-e52600-v2-price-list-server-ivy-bridgeep
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that , the cpu-world.com , and others that were based off of some retail vendors price list are a bit off on prices.

E5 1600 v2 series http://ark.intel.com/products/series/75771

E5 2600 v2 series http://ark.intel.com/products/series/75291

At least prices past this initial launch that Apple would be factoring into the Mac Pro 2013 pricing.


2687 is a 150W CPU. I believe that they will only use a max of 130W so we're likely to see some sort of options like the 2643 /2650 /2667/2690/2697 or some combination of these based on price.
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There is no good reason to use a 6 ( or even 8 core) 2600 v2 in a single socket new Mac Pro. The pricing is way off what can be bigger bang-for-the-buck with a E5 1600 v2 alternative. There may be a 10 core BTO option along with a 12 core BTO option.

The 12 core Mac Pro variants are going to cost. Around $2400 + Apple's 30% mark-up on top of that is $3K just for the CPU package.
 
Also......

I know this thread has started as Desktop comparison and if the Mods want to move it on that's fine....

This has appeared recently as a Mobile workstation! We're we could have been this year with the 17" MBP?.....if only!

but then it is Windows 8!!!!!
 

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There would be no reason to offer any 6-core E5-2600V2 CPU when the E5-1650 V2 is cheaper and superior.
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E5-1620 V2, E5-1650 V2 and E5-2697 V2 covers a lot of ground. I'd probably only add theE5-2670 v2 to that and you've got an Apple type line of CPU options.

3.7x4
3.5x6 +$500
2.5x10 +$1,200
2.7x12 + $2,000
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For an Apple "good, better, best" line up something like

3.7x4 [ E5 1620 v2 ]
3.5x6 + $500 [ E5 1650 v2 . Optional BTO 2.5x10 this price + $600 ]
3.7x6 + $1200 [ E5 1660 v2 + at least one mid range GPU. Optiona BTO l 2.7x12 this price + 2,000 ]

No good reason to skip any of the 1600 v2 offerings if trying to hit decent pricing on the standard configurations. The 12 core 2.7 E5 2697 v2 $2618 lists for at Intel's site ( http://ark.intel.com/products/75283/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2697-v2-30M-Cache-2_70-GHz ). Throw Apple's 30% mark-up on that and have a 'cost' of $3403. It isn't going to be a $2K bump over the entry level base price. With that kind of price increase, highly doubtful it would part of any standard configuration.
 
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