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WU27f1xcCs

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I always install the beta and the sadness has hit now that I donā€™t get to join you guys.

I have an iPad Pro 2017. I could understand if iPadOS advancements meant this model needed to be dropped, but it can obviously support it, there is no slowness at all on iPadOS 17, and the iPad 7 has a lesser chip but is supported for iPadOS 18.

This seems like a money grab.
 

Iwavvns

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The iPad with the A10 chip was released in 2019? The iPad Pro with the A10X Fusion chip was released in 2017? Are the release dates of these two devices actually two years apart?
 

WU27f1xcCs

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Yes theyā€™re 2 years apart, but iPad Pro still has the best specifications.
 

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Being that I am not an engineer that works on the hardware or the software, I have to assume that I donā€™t have all of the information and that there is something present that makes a difference where iPadOS 18 is involved.

Just because we donā€™t know what the problem is doesnā€™t mean we can assume what the problem is. In other words, we canā€™t label this ā€œa money grabā€ when we donā€™t have all of the information.

I actually feel that Apple needs to slow the **** down, and stop adding silly features, and this kind of thing wouldnā€™t happen to begin with.
 

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Being that I am not an engineer that works on the hardware or the software, I have to assume that I donā€™t have all of the information and that there is something present that makes a difference where iPadOS 18 is involved.

Just because we donā€™t know what the problem is doesnā€™t mean we can assume what the problem is. In other words, we canā€™t label this ā€œa money grabā€ when we donā€™t have all of the information.

I actually feel that Apple needs to slow the **** down, and stop adding silly features, and this kind of thing wouldnā€™t happen to begin with.
Thereā€™s not really any mystery to it. Itā€™s a fact that the A10X is fundamentally the same as the A10 but better. More memory (4gb), more graphics cores, basically more of everything that the A10 has. So there can be no engineering reason for this, other than the fact that there would of course be some effort involved to optimise 18 for one more device.

It simply comes down to the fact that the 2017 IPP is older. And if they were seen to be making an effort to support an seven year old ipad, it would set expectations for other devices that they donā€™t want to live up to.

As a 2017 owner myself, Iā€™m disappointed there hasnā€™t been more of a fuss about this to shame them into support but, it is what it is I guess.
 
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aakshey

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I used to own both iPad Pro 2018 and 2017, both were slow on iOS 17.
iPad Pro 2017 was garbage on it.
Whereas iPad Pro M1 and M4 are almost identical on iOS 17. Honestly, Apple should only provide iOS updates that are close to ideal. So iOS 18 should have only come to M1 and up.
 

WU27f1xcCs

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I used to own both iPad Pro 2018 and 2017, both were slow on iOS 17.
iPad Pro 2017 was garbage on it.
Whereas iPad Pro M1 and M4 are almost identical on iOS 17. Honestly, Apple should only provide iOS updates that are close to ideal. So iOS 18 should have only come to M1 and up.
I have not experienced this at all, and I have not ā€œclean installedā€ for years. I play 3D games occasionally and multitask daily without issue. Only problem is battery life.
 

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I gave my 2017 iPad Pro to my fiancĆ© and he hasnā€™t had any issues with it besides the battery life. He only use it to stream his tv shows and movies so he really donā€™t care about iPadOS18 or the declining battery life.
 

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I used to own both iPad Pro 2018 and 2017, both were slow on iOS 17.
iPad Pro 2017 was garbage on it.
Iā€™d bet money you just need to do a clean install. At one point my 10.5ā€ was really slow and unreliable with lots of app crashes on iOS 17 - I was on the verge of giving up on it - but I set it up again as new months ago now and itā€™s been flying ever since. Zero performance issues whatsoever, and this is my main iPad that I do pretty much everything on, not a secondary device.
 

WU27f1xcCs

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Guys this annoyed me where I am now stubbornly not buying a new iPad until this one literally breaks. I was researching and tempted to upgrade to the new Pro. Not now.
 

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Guys this annoyed me where I am now stubbornly not buying a new iPad until this one literally breaks. I was researching and tempted to upgrade to the new Pro. Not now.
The only reason why I upgraded my 2017 10.5 last year, was because I wanted a bigger screen, and a better keyboard, to use it as my laptop replacement. I have the 6th gen 12.9, and Iā€™ll more than likely keep it until Apple stop releasing software updates, and Iā€™ll then upgrade. It sucks because I thought the 2017 iPad Pro would see iPadOS 18.
 

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Thereā€™s not really any mystery to it. Itā€™s a fact that the A10X is fundamentally the same as the A10 but better. More memory (4gb), more graphics cores, basically more of everything that the A10 has. So there can be no engineering reason for this, other than the fact that there would of course be some effort involved to optimise 18 for one more device.

It simply comes down to the fact that the 2017 IPP is older. And if they were seen to be making an effort to support an seven year old ipad, it would set expectations for other devices that they donā€™t want to live up to.

As a 2017 owner myself, Iā€™m disappointed there hasnā€™t been more of a fuss about this to shame them into support but, it is what it is I guess.
if you are disappointed that a certain device wonā€™t get a future update then youā€™re disappointment was caused by your faulty expectations and baseless assumptions. It is not Appleā€™s fault you arenā€™t getting your what you want, they werenā€™t placed here to cater to you.
 

WU27f1xcCs

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if you are disappointed that a certain device wonā€™t get a future update then youā€™re disappointment was caused by your faulty expectations and baseless assumptions. It is not Appleā€™s fault you arenā€™t getting your what you want, they werenā€™t placed here to cater to you.
Do they not care about environmental waste and usage of resources
 

Iwavvns

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Do they not care about environmental waste and usage of resources
When youā€™re charging the kind of money that Apple charges for digital cameras that can make phone calls, I doubt the environment is the first thing on your mind.
 

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if you are disappointed that a certain device wonā€™t get a future update then youā€™re disappointment was caused by your faulty expectations and baseless assumptions. It is not Appleā€™s fault you arenā€™t getting your what you want, they werenā€™t placed here to cater to you.
What an odd and altogether unnecessary comment. Apple are a consumer electronics company, so actually they do strive to cater for me alongside many millions of other consumers. Am I suggesting that means they should do everything I want or expect, of course not, but they didnā€™t get to be where they are now by disappointing all their consumers either.

What you call ā€œfaulty expectations and baseless assumptionsā€ I simply call the knowledge that thereā€™s no good technical reason for my expensive 2017 tablet to be abandoned before a budget 2019 model. I find it disappointing that Apple are choosing to consign hardware to the dustbin sooner than necessary; the fact that the software is already written for the A10 makes the fact that theyā€™re holding it back from the A10X pretty unforgivable in my mind. You no doubt excuse this on the basis that their only interest is in profit and in pleasing the shareholders - how clever of you to know how a corporation works. However as annoying as it may be to you, some consumers will still inevitably feel a bit cheated and a bit more hesitant in throwing more money at Apple next time. What a world eh?
 
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