iPhone X Ditching my DSLR/Mirrorless and shooting strictly with the iPhone X? (HOBBYIST)

[fred98tj]

Ok lets say it like this; I rather work on and edit my photos on a big calibrated computer screen rather then a small phone screen
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I didn't know there were apps for raw files but now I know thank you!
I wouldn't wanna edit on a small phone screen but I can see the use of it!

I certainly agree on the bigger screen is better for editing photos, but since I very rarely print or view bigger than 8x10 I normally use LR on my iPad Pro and it works just fine.

 

[dallas112678]

He underexposed the shot on his camera, it’s common to have people with super high end cameras and not knowing how to use them, and end up taking worse pictures than smartphones.

Or, maybe, just maybe, he exposed to the point where he didn't clip a lot of highlights. You know, avoid losing all of the detail that the X loses due to highlight clipping.

Seeing as that thought apparently didn't cross your mind really shows that you don't know how or why people use DSLR's the way that they do.

 

[iSayBoourns]

Or, maybe, just maybe, he exposed to the point where he didn't clip a lot of highlights. You know, avoid losing all of the detail that the X loses due to highlight clipping.

Seeing as that thought apparently didn't cross your mind really shows that you don't know how or why people use DSLR's the way that they do.

Except you’re supposed to have a white point in the image. Not grey snow.

 

[dallas112678]

Except you’re supposed to have a white point in the image. Not grey snow.

Again, no. It depends on the light, snow isn't a bright white color by default, you realize that right? For all you know those trees are shading that entire area and that colors are correct.

It still doesn't change the fact that you are NEVER supposed to clip highlights. If you try to expose to get a pure white snow, then you are going to clip the entire sky as the sky is brighter...

 

[Sheldonsmith]

Great thread as I had similar thoughts between my iPhone X and my Canon 7D Mark II. I do try to shoot RAW in my iPhone X and make adjustments on the phone or offload the images to my MacBook and edit in Lightroom.

Thanks for posting

 

[iSayBoourns]

Again, no. It depends on the light, snow isn't a bright white color by default, you realize that right? For all you know those trees are shading that entire area and that colors are correct.

It still doesn't change the fact that you are NEVER supposed to clip highlights. If you try to expose to get a pure white snow, then you are going to clip the entire sky as the sky is brighter...

You do know how Camera metering systems work right? On its own it will expose the snow for 18% grey. It’s a well known thing to use 1.5-2 stops of exposure compensation to properly expose for snow.

 

[dallas112678]

You do know how Camera metering systems work right? On its own it will expose the snow for 18% grey. It’s a well known thing to use 1.5-2 stops of exposure compensation to properly expose for snow.

It's also a well known fact that you can selectively increase exposure in post of the snow, without losing all of the detail and clipping all other highlights from trying to expose for snow in your camera. The fact remains, that once you clip, all of that detail is gone. Professional photographers realize this, and don't clip a 3rd of the photo for the sake of getting bright white snow.

 

[Steve686]

Nikon D850
Nikon 70-200 2.8 E FL

Vs.

iPhone X

Only a $5000 difference but I would keep my Nikon setup versus the iPhone if photos were the only concern.

 

[iSayBoourns]

It's also a well known fact that you can selectively increase exposure in post of the snow, without losing all of the detail and clipping all other highlights from trying to expose for snow in your camera. The fact remains, that once you clip, all of that detail is gone. Professional photographers realize this, and don't clip a 3rd of the photo for the sake of getting bright white snow.

Of course the snow can be corrected in post, the photo in question was not corrected in post. It’s dark and flat.

You can have white snow without clipping it. I’m a professional photographer and live in Canada (a ton of shooting in snow experience)

As far as hanging clipped highlights and “professionals don’t clip highlights”, you’re wrong there. If the subject is properly exposed (say for example an outdoor portrait) it’s quite fine and accepted to have blown out highlights (for example the sky in the background) As long as the subject (the person) is exposed correctly.

Go watch any weekly Tony & Chelsea Live on Youtube. They’re professional photographers and a constant reoccurring correction on many photos from viewers submitted to the show is to use the Whites and Blacks sliders in Lightroom to add a white point and black point, because so often photos are far too dark and flat. (Exactly like the photo in question in this thread)

Not meaning this as an insult, but perhaps you need to do some more reading on photography or get some more practice before you post nonsense.

*edit to add a video about shooting in bright light/snow*

 

[fred98tj]

All this about clipped highlights or not clipped and contrast and whatever is getting to be pretty goofy. Just chasing a rabbit down a silly hole.
Highlights clipped or not, contrast a lot or not and so on do not make a good photograph.
As the late Angel Adams said:

“There are no rules for good photographs, there are only good photographs”

Some are getting kinda silly here now.

With over 50 years behind many, many lenses I can tell you that some of y’all are just goofing too much. Go outside, make some pics and just have fun.

 

[Steve686]

Of course the snow can be corrected in post, the photo in question was not corrected in post. It’s dark and flat.

You can have white snow without clipping it. I’m a professional photographer and live in Canada (a ton of shooting in snow experience)

As far as hanging clipped highlights and “professionals don’t clip highlights”, you’re wrong there. If the subject is properly exposed (say for example an outdoor portrait) it’s quite fine and accepted to have blown out highlights (for example the sky in the background) As long as the subject (the person) is exposed correctly.

Go watch any weekly Tony & Chelsea Live on Youtube. They’re professional photographers and a constant reoccurring correction on many photos from viewers submitted to the show is to use the Whites and Blacks sliders in Lightroom to add a white point and black point, because so often photos are far too dark and flat. (Exactly like the photo in question in this thread)

Not meaning this as an insult, but perhaps you need to do some more reading on photography or get some more practice before you post nonsense.

*edit to add a video about shooting in bright light/snow*

Do you like.....FroKnowsPhotoooooo? Lmao.

 

[Harmonious Zen]

Could not give up a DSLR for a phone at this point and it doesn’t matter how good the X takes photos. At the end of the day, physics is physics and software hasn’t yet been able to recreate the physics of having a bigger lens.

 

[funinhounslow]

Hi guys,

I have a big trip coming up in 2 weeks to Shanghai and Seoul. I typically travel solo and just wonder around taking pictures. I am highly considering getting rid of my x100f and going with only my iPhone X for pictures. The thought of being able to go out with nothing but my phone brings tears to my eyes. I don't plan on doing anything with these pictures other than posting them on my website and instagram. However, I am worried that I will regret not bringing an "actual" camera.

Thanks a bunch!

I have just upgraded to an 8+ (from a 5S!) and I was curious to what extent it (if any) it could replace my compact - an ageing but still capable Panasonic LX 5.

I took them both out today, and spotted two ravens preening at the Tower of London - so I quickly grabbed both devices and took a couple of shots using each. Here they are straight out of the device. I was initially impressed with how the iPhone managed to capture the black birds against a light background, but you can see that the LX5 is in a completely different league.

Clearly the difference would be even greater with a modern mirrorless. As good as the 8+'s camera is (and was impressed with a lot of the pictures I took today), sometimes you can't beat an optical zoom and easily selected aperture/exposure compensation.

If this is a special trip, I would certainly pack your mirrorless.

 

[iSayBoourns]

I have just upgraded to an 8+ (from a 5S!) and I was curious to what extent it (if any) it could replace my compact - an ageing but still capable Panasonic LX 5.

I took them both out today, and spotted two ravens preening at the Tower of London - so I quickly grabbed both devices and took a couple of shots using each. Here they are straight out of the device. I was initially impressed with how the iPhone managed to capture the black birds against a light background, but you can see that the LX5 is in a completely different league.

Clearly the difference would be even greater with a modern mirrorless. As good as the 8+'s camera is (and was impressed with a lot of the pictures I took today), sometimes you can't beat an optical zoom and easily selected aperture/exposure compensation.

If this is a special trip, I would certainly pack your mirrorless.

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It’s obvious an actual camera will always outperform a smartphone. Larger sensor, larger/better optics always wins. However if you’re going to compare apples to apples, than at least make an attempt at shooting similar framing. You can’t exactly compare two completely different angles. As that doesn’t show how the phone would have done for the same shot.

Again though, not saying a smartphone would be better.

 

[fs454]

I have just upgraded to an 8+ (from a 5S!) and I was curious to what extent it (if any) it could replace my compact - an ageing but still capable Panasonic LX 5.

I took them both out today, and spotted two ravens preening at the Tower of London - so I quickly grabbed both devices and took a couple of shots using each. Here they are straight out of the device. I was initially impressed with how the iPhone managed to capture the black birds against a light background, but you can see that the LX5 is in a completely different league.

Clearly the difference would be even greater with a modern mirrorless. As good as the 8+'s camera is (and was impressed with a lot of the pictures I took today), sometimes you can't beat an optical zoom and easily selected aperture/exposure compensation.

If this is a special trip, I would certainly pack your mirrorless.

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You were the exact same distance using both iPhone and LX5? Portrait mode on the 8+? Why did you give them a flat solid color background on the iPhone and a completely diffferent, compelling background for the mirrorless? Not really a fair comparision.

 

[funinhounslow]

I took photos from a variety of angles and posted the best obtained from each device. With a subject like this (spontaneous, moving), I think most people would behave like this - fire off a few pictures, keep one or two and delete the rest? I was trying to show what I would be left with using an iPhone and camera. As the OP is specifically asking about taking a camera on holiday I thought this might be a useful comparison.

 

[dallas112678]

Of course the snow can be corrected in post, the photo in question was not corrected in post. It’s dark and flat.

You can have white snow without clipping it. I’m a professional photographer and live in Canada (a ton of shooting in snow experience)

As far as hanging clipped highlights and “professionals don’t clip highlights”, you’re wrong there. If the subject is properly exposed (say for example an outdoor portrait) it’s quite fine and accepted to have blown out highlights (for example the sky in the background) As long as the subject (the person) is exposed correctly.

Go watch any weekly Tony & Chelsea Live on Youtube. They’re professional photographers and a constant reoccurring correction on many photos from viewers submitted to the show is to use the Whites and Blacks sliders in Lightroom to add a white point and black point, because so often photos are far too dark and flat. (Exactly like the photo in question in this thread)

Not meaning this as an insult, but perhaps you need to do some more reading on photography or get some more practice before you post nonsense.

*edit to add a video about shooting in bright light/snow*

Actually, I am a professional photographer, as such, I already know everything that was said in that video as it's geared towards beginners learning about simple metering.

Yes, if you have a person AND you plan on doing NO post, then it's fine to clip the highlights as you are limited to getting it right in the camera and the person is more important than the scenery.

However, we are talking about a picture of ONLY scenery. It DOES not make sense to lose a third of the scenery details.

Any professional is going to use post-processing in which case they aren't going to clip anything when they can simply brighten up a stop or 2. Again, their videos (at least the one you linked) are not geared toward professionals, rather beginners trying to learn how to use a camera that's not in a phone.

 

[iSayBoourns]

Actually, I am a professional photographer, as such, I already know everything that was said in that video as it's geared towards beginners learning about simple metering.

Yes, if you have a person AND you plan on doing NO post, then it's fine to clip the highlights as you are limited to getting it right in the camera and the person is more important than the scenery.

However, we are talking about a picture of ONLY scenery. It DOES not make sense to lose a third of the scenery details.

Any professional is going to use post-processing in which case they aren't going to clip anything when they can simply brighten up a stop or 2. Again, their videos (at least the one you linked) are not geared toward professionals, rather beginners trying to learn how to use a camera that's not in a phone.

The point of linking the video is to show that when there is snow you don’t expose for grey snow. Go ahead and save that Sony a7rii image and run the colour picker over it in photoshop. Not a single pixel of the snow is remotely close to white. It’s all dull grey. It’s not a properly exposed image. It does not show the benefits to better dynamic range when it’s flat. Dynamic range is the spread between black and white. Not grey to grey.

I can’t inagine how dull all your images are if you never set a white point and black point in your images in post. On a Mac hold down option and slide the whites slider, until you have at least a white point. And do similar with the blacks slider.

 

[dallas112678]

Hmmm, I'd hardly consider any of my images dull. Here's an example of a simple product shoot of mine:

The cosmetics are the important part, however if I exposed for them, then that entire wall would have been clipped, and you'd lose the texture. That would make for a much more un-interesting photo...

I'll make this as simple as I can, once you clip a photo, all of that data is gone. You can't do anything with it after the fact. If you don't clip the photo, then the data exists and you can do whatever you want to it. This is why it's important not to get caught up in the "Omg, I MUST expose for snow" mindset that so many beginners have.

 

[iSayBoourns]

Hmmm, I'd hardly consider any of my images dull. Here's an example of a simple product shoot of mine:

The cosmetics are the important part, however if I exposed for them, then that entire wall would have been clipped, and you'd lose the texture. That would make for a much more un-interesting photo...

I'll make this as simple as I can, once you clip a photo, all of that data is gone. You can't do anything with it after the fact. If you don't clip the photo, then the data exists and you can do whatever you want to it. This is why it's important not to get caught up in the "Omg, I MUST expose for snow" mindset that so many beginners have.

So you’re saying only beginners properly expose snow? IE white snow (because snow is white) and it’s professional to have grey snow in their images? You’re ridiculous.

You don’t have to keep repeating “clipped data is lost data”. No one said to clip the snow. You seem to still not grasp the fact snow is white. That does not mean it has to be clipped.

 

[dallas112678]

So you’re saying only beginners properly expose snow? IE white snow (because snow is white) and it’s professional to have grey snow in their images? You’re ridiculous.

You don’t have to keep repeating “clipped data is lost data”. No one said to clip the snow. You seem to still not grasp the fact snow is white. That does not mean it has to be clipped.

You somehow have missed the entire point. I never said "Don't clip the snow", I said "Don't clip other things that are huge parts of the scenery like the entire sky just because you are trying to get white snow." Very simple.

 

[1096bimu]

Or, maybe, just maybe, he exposed to the point where he didn't clip a lot of highlights. You know, avoid losing all of the detail that the X loses due to highlight clipping.

Seeing as that thought apparently didn't cross your mind really shows that you don't know how or why people use DSLR's the way that they do.

not clipping highlights is a rule of thumb, if it was as simple as a strict rule then we wouldn't be having any trouble with auto exposure.
Auto exposure is difficult because there are no simple rules to how to expose properly, you will always have to clip some highlights , my camera actually has ETR exposure and it generally looks very under exposed because it just doesn't clip anything.

Besides, there are ways to make things brighter without clipping any more highlights, if only you knew how to develop your RAW properly.

 

[iSayBoourns]

You somehow have missed the entire point. I never said "Don't clip the snow", I said "Don't clip other things that are huge parts of the scenery like the entire sky just because you are trying to get white snow." Very simple.

That’s what bracketing is for....

 

[ru-e]

I certainly agree on the bigger screen is better for editing photos, but since I very rarely print or view bigger than 8x10 I normally use LR on my iPad Pro and it works just fine.

Yes I see how convinent that most be! I do print out selected photos so big screen is a most, but I may try the phone app for quicker edit for instaram posts only

 

[Newtons Apple]

Quit using my DSLR and Leica's a few years back.

I did just replace my P&S, as G1X mk2 with a new G1X mk3!

24mp on a larger sensor is still needed for me.

I need flash ability that will light up a average size room. Sometimes these rooms are black from a fire. My X will not cope with that and give the DOF I want.