DND while driving - I'm not driving!

[BeeGood]

I wouldn't personally because I don't get paid to do R&D or build operating systems for the world's richest company and sell the resulting products for around $1,000. But 1) as a customer I do expect the people who DO get paid to do that to determine it, yes and 2) In the job that I DO get paid to do, I wouldn't be happy and my boss wouldn't accept me implementing something that poorly, so yes I do expect a good User Experience.

There is no “magic” in software. It’s logic and rules and actions. That’s pretty much it. You seem like a smart guy so if you can’t imagine a way that an iPhone could determine with 100% certainty that you’re in fact driving a vehicle (as opposed to a passenger in one) then you can assume it’s probably not possible.

Apple generally does a decent enough job of explaining how they’re features work in laymen terms, and they did so with this one. It works as designed.

Out of all the issues with iOS 11, I’m shocked that someone is complaining about this.

 

[andyp350]

Of course I do, it's not impossible - I'm buying a product which says it can silence my phone when I'm driving, and it tried to when I'm not. The Apple magic was all about ending products which did the "We think you're doing this, so should we do this" stuff. They should create something that figures out if you're driving or not or not release it. There's nothing magic about getting it wrong.

I’m starting to suspect this is a just a troll post.

 

[skillwill]

Actually, you expect it to work as YOU think it should work. The fact is, that it is working as designed and you simply don't agree with that, that is NOT a flaw. Again, I ask, how would you make that determination? Can you tell me if I am on my phone or in my car right now?

Let me make this is a little more clear. I am a developer and have been for many years. The only way that Apple will know what you are doing is if you tell them, they have no way to determine that without really spying on you which would be the end of Apple if they started doing that.

If you can't answer the question, how do you expect Apple to do it? It is a goofy implementation (I agree) and one I have turned off because it is pointless.

Not true - what makes/made Apple great is they find away. You're saying "there's no way". How many "no ways" has the iPhone overcome? Did they let you hold phones in different orientations before they found a way of doing it without you telling the phone? It's called technological evolution - "How would YOU determine whether or not a phone is being held in portrait or landscape without telling the phone" - *someone invents/finds a way to use an accelerometer* - Done.

Of course there would be a way to do it - devices can tell what you're doing, how you're doing it - and until they can EVOLVE to find a way to determine whether you are driving a car or riding a bus, the feature is flawed/rushed out.

And I don't understand why you think I need to answer this question - as I said, I'm not a software developer, I don't work in Apple's R&D department, and I'm not promising people that if they give me $1,000 I'll give them a seamless "magical" experience - so it's not up to me to figure it out, it's up to them to - and the magic of Apple used to be that they did!
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Out of all the issues with iOS 11, I’m shocked that someone is complaining about this.

It's the straw that broke the camel's back!
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I’m starting to suspect this is a just a troll post.

I'm starting to suspect if I don't have an argument I'll just call the other guy a troll.

This is an interesting debate, and people are making some good points. If you have nothing to contribute don't get involved!

 

[daflake]

Not true - what makes/made Apple great is they find away. You're saying "there's no way". How many "no ways" has the iPhone overcome? Did they let you hold phones in different orientations before they found a way of doing it without you telling the phone? It's called technological evolution - "How would YOU determine whether or not a phone is being held in portrait or landscape without telling the phone" - *someone invents/finds a way to use an accelerometer* - Done.

Of course there would be a way to do it - devices can tell what you're doing, how you're doing it - and until they can EVOLVE to find a way to determine whether you are driving a car or riding a bus, the feature is flawed/rushed out.

And I don't understand why you think I need to answer this question - as I said, I'm not a software developer, I don't work in Apple's R&D department, and I'm not promising people that if they give me $1,000 I'll give them a seamless "magical" experience - so it's not up to me to figure it out, it's up to them to - and the magic of Apple used to be that they did!

Okay, am I being punked? Seriously...

You have some pretty high expectations. My guess is that you are young, dare I say a teenager. My advice is to lower your expectations a little or life will be a huge letdown.

 

[Strelok]

Oh ffs just turn it off and move one with your life. This is what happens when you make tech so easily accessible to everyone.

 

[daflake]

I’m starting to suspect this is a just a troll post.

Yep

 

[andyp350]

Not true - what makes/made Apple great is they find away. You're saying "there's no way". How many "no ways" has the iPhone overcome? Did they let you hold phones in different orientations before they found a way of doing it without you telling the phone? It's called technological evolution - "How would YOU determine whether or not a phone is being held in portrait or landscape without telling the phone" - *someone invents/finds a way to use an accelerometer* - Done.

Of course there would be a way to do it - devices can tell what you're doing, how you're doing it - and until they can EVOLVE to find a way to determine whether you are driving a car or riding a bus, the feature is flawed/rushed out.

And I don't understand why you think I need to answer this question - as I said, I'm not a software developer, I don't work in Apple's R&D department, and I'm not promising people that if they give me $1,000 I'll give them a seamless "magical" experience - so it's not up to me to figure it out, it's up to them to - and the magic of Apple used to be that they did!
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It's the straw that broke the camel's back!
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I'm starting to suspect if I don't have an argument I'll just call the other guy a troll.

This is an interesting debate, and people are making some good points. If you have nothing to contribute don't get involved!

It appears as a troll post to me because you’re complaining the feature doesn’t do something that is simply not possible either through software or the hardware, yet you seem to refuse to accept this despite the abundance of of people explaining this to you.
The feature works as it should, you don’t like the feature so just don’t use it, there’s really nothing else to discuss. It’s like saying “I think my phone should know who I want to ring without me telling it, Apples motto is it just works so why isn’t my iPhone able to do this”. It’s simply not possible so a pointless debate.

 

[skillwill]

Okay, am I being punked? Seriously...

You have some pretty high expectations. My guess is that you are young, dare I say a teenager. My advice is to lower your expectations a little or life will be a huge letdown.

Ah the insults, so I guess you have no answers - why can't people ever just accept that rather than bring out the name calling. Thanks for a good debate up until then, 2 different opinions, not really a right or wrong, just different expectations - sorry you ran out of steam.

 

[simonsi]

Not true - what makes/made Apple great is they find away. You're saying "there's no way". How many "no ways" has the iPhone overcome? Did they let you hold phones in different orientations before they found a way of doing it without you telling the phone? It's called technological evolution - "How would YOU determine whether or not a phone is being held in portrait or landscape without telling the phone" - *someone invents/finds a way to use an accelerometer* - Done.

Of course there would be a way to do it - devices can tell what you're doing, how you're doing it - and until they can EVOLVE to find a way to determine whether you are driving a car or riding a bus, the feature is flawed/rushed out.

And I don't understand why you think I need to answer this question - as I said, I'm not a software developer, I don't work in Apple's R&D department, and I'm not promising people that if they give me $1,000 I'll give them a seamless "magical" experience - so it's not up to me to figure it out, it's up to them to - and the magic of Apple used to be that they did!
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It's the straw that broke the camel's back!
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I'm starting to suspect if I don't have an argument I'll just call the other guy a troll.

This is an interesting debate, and people are making some good points. If you have nothing to contribute don't get involved!

The “activate when connected to car bluetooth” option is EXACTLY that, just set it so and forget. If you expect some other magical way, and that Apple should not release a perfectly usable feature then your expectations are absurd and you should simply turn the feature off.

 

[skillwill]

It appears as a troll post to me because you’re complaining the feature doesn’t do something that is simply not possible either through software or the hardware, yet you seem to refuse this despite the abundance of of people explaining this to you.
The feature works as it should, you don’t like the feature so just don’t use it, there’s really nothing else to discuss. It’s like saying “I think my phone should know who I want to ring without me telling it, Apples motto is it just works so why isn’t my iPhone able to do this”. It’s simply not possible so a pointless debate.

But that's fine, Sir - that's fine that you don't agree. Doesn't mean either one of us is a troll. I could just be some guy sitting at my computer who has high expectations/an opinion/ and is right or wrong about it. Yes, I certainly could be wrong - probably I am, just making an observation. My angle isn't so much that the feature doesn't work, it's that it gets in the way - it lessens the User Experience (yes, very very slightly) but still does. It's not ruining my life or anything, just wanted to discuss it with others - which we have done and it was good to hear your thoughts and give you mine. You don't agree it's a problem, and I think it's annoying - and both opinions are fair enough!

 

[Jimrod]

Oh ffs just turn it off and move one with your life. This is what happens when you make tech so easily accessible to everyone.

Mine is turned off in settings, it still keeps pestering me about driving. That's awesome programming right there, not a user issue.

 

[anubis1980]

i was in the supermarket pushing a trolley, took my phone out from the bag in the child seat, and it had the driving message. now i am worried i am going to get fined for going too fast whilst in charge of a shopping trolley.

 

[daflake]

Ah the insults, so I guess you have no answers - why can't people ever just accept that rather than bring out the name calling. Thanks for a good debate up until then, 2 different opinions, not really a right or wrong, just different expectations - sorry you ran out of steam.

No insults at all as this isn't an argument or debate. You are simply asking for something that isn't really possible as everyone here has pointed out. So as for steam running out, nope, just not worth talking to you about it any further as the idea is absurd.
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Mine is turned off in settings, it still keeps pestering me about driving. That's awesome programming right there, not a user issue.

I suspect there are still some bugs in the idea? I have had no problems with it and I have it turned off.
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But that's fine, Sir - that's fine that you don't agree. Doesn't mean either one of us is a troll. I could just be some guy sitting at my computer who has high expectations/an opinion/ and is right or wrong about it. Yes, I certainly could be wrong - probably I am, just making an observation. My angle isn't so much that the feature doesn't work, it's that it gets in the way - it lessens the User Experience (yes, very very slightly) but still does. It's not ruining my life or anything, just wanted to discuss it with others - which we have done and it was good to hear your thoughts and give you mine. You don't agree it's a problem, and I think it's annoying - and both opinions are fair enough!

And again I ask, how would you address it. Tell me how your phone should determine if you are driving or a passenger. If we are going to "talk" about it, you might as well put some insight into your claim of shoddy work.

 

[skillwill]

And again I ask, how would you address it. Tell me how your phone should determine if you are driving or a passanger. If we are going to "talk" about it, you might as well put some insight into your claim of shoddy work.

And again I ask, why does it matter what I think? I don't matter. I pay other people who know this stuff to give me a good user experience - which also gives me a right to have an opinion on it. Believe me, if the iPhone ONLY ran on my insight it wouldn't even be able to turn on! I'm simply a customer who expects a good user experience not one that is death by a thousand cuts (as people have pointed out this one thing isn't a big thing, it just piles up). If there is a way of determining it, great, if (as you say) there isn't (which is fine if there isn't) then why programme it to make assumptions every time you happen to be moving (exc. walking)? That's my argument - I have no suggestions for how the phone could do it, but if it was my area of expertise I would be disappointed with myself for doing it like this.

 

[daflake]

And again I ask, why does it matter what I think? I don't matter. I pay other people who know this stuff to give me a good user experience - which also gives me a right to have an opinion on it. Believe me, if the iPhone ONLY ran on my insight it wouldn't even be able to turn on! I'm a customer who expects a good user experience not one that is death by a thousand cuts (as people have pointed out this one thing isn't a big thing, it just piles up). If there is a way of determining it, great, if (as you say) there isn't (which is fine if there isn't) then why programme it to make assumptions every time you happen to be moving (exc. walking)? That's my argument - I have no suggestions for how the phone could do it, but if it was my area of expertise I would be disappointed with releasing it like this.

Because you started this thread and want to discuss it! Yes, you do matter, you are the end user and you are the one claiming that this product isn't working right. So how would you address a phone determining if you are driving automatically?

 

[Feenician]

Seriously. Made my day. Pythonesque levels of absurdity and repetition.

 

[daflake]

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Seriously. Made my day. Pythonesque levels of absurdity and repetition.

LOL, It has been a fun one for me.

It is later in the day for me (in Germany) and I am a little bored.

 

[Feenician]

LOL, It has been a fun one for me.

It is later in the day for me (in German) and I am a little bored.

I just realized that my picture did not in fact contain thread, but wool. If Steve were alive my phone would have automatically detected the error, photoshopped in wool and made me tea. Truly, it's Tim's apple now

 

[skillwill]

LOL, It has been a fun one for me.

It is later in the day for me (in German) and I am a little bored.

Well at least it was an entertaining one all round. I'll let you know by DM, or maybe on here, or maybe I'll get in touch with Apple if I think of any solutions! In the meantime I'll continue to cringe on the bus

 

[daflake]

Well at least it was an entertaining one all round. I'll let you know by DM, or maybe on here, or maybe I'll get in touch with Apple if I think of any solutions! In the meantime I'll continue to cringe on the bus

Well, if you aren't driving all that much, it may be worth just shutting it off. Unless you plan on stealing the bus....

 

[Phoboss]

OP are you really this dense? This isn't about implementing a sensor that can detect orientation. The phone detects movement via GPS and there is simply no way to detect if you're sitting on the left or the right, why is that so hard for you to understand?! And to be honest it's really pedantic to get hung up on this small thing.
Just accept that its' (currently) not technically possible to detect if you're driving or in the passenger seat. end of story. deal with it.

 

[ValhallaOutcast]

I know I have not had a coffee yet this morning but did I just read that a phone in a moving vehicle should know if it belongs to the operator or the passenger?

 

[spades1412]

Settings/Do Not Disturb

Scroll down and set DND while Dtiving to activate Manually.

Now you have full control of when to activate the feature. Since setting this, I’ve not been prompted about DND once.

Maybe future phones with FaceID will be able to accurately tell if you’re the driver or a passenger.

 

[hlfway2anywhere]

I thought we had reached the pinnacle of dumb threads about iOS 11 and then I woke up and saw this.

 

[geoffm33]

Are we really comparing orientation detection with guessing if you are on the right or left (and country detection to determine where the driver sits)?